Author Topic: Bat Shield (Read 603 times)

EN4CER · « **on:** July 13, 2006, 12:39:52 PM »

This is a new piece of equipment being deployed by my police department. It's called the Baker Bat Shield and I'll be training the supervisors assigned to our patrol division to use this ballistic shield. For the buffs out there the ballistic capability is Threat Level IIIA. It's a great tool for "Active Shooter" situations (Columbine H.S., etc.) but I'm still skeptical utilizing it for room clearing.

The Baker Bat Shield

Practicing our officer down rescue approach (I'm second from last in the stack)

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #1 on:** July 13, 2006, 12:45:58 PM »

my respose would be shoot for the legs...>

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 13, 2006, 12:58:50 PM »

Cool.

How heavy are those ballistic shields, and how do they respond to being hit by a round when held by someone? I have seen video of them being shot at while hanging on a post stationary. But it seems to me that if the shield stops a round, all of that energy is going to get transfered into the arm of the person holding it.

EN4CER · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2006, 01:13:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Mickey1992
How heavy are those ballistic shields, and how do they respond to being hit by a round when held by someone? I have seen video of them being shot at while hanging on a post stationary. But it seems to me that if the shield stops a round, all of that energy is going to get transfered into the arm of the person holding it.

The Bat Shield weighs about 9-10 lbs. The Ballistic Shields (“Bunkers” as they are more commonly referred to) used in the rescue drill picture weigh more. That’s why shield operators switch on and off every 15-20 minutes if they can during an operation. Trying to aim a weapon steady and holding a shield for a long period of time becomes increasingly difficult. As for the impact question, the Baker Bat Shield curves around the operator as seen in the top photo. This curve design is supposed to increase the deflection capabilities of the shield. The bunkers used in the rescue photo are flat, thus blunt trauma would be absorbed by the shield and some of the energy would be transferred to the operator provided the round does not penetrate the shield. Keep in mind both types of shields are threat level IIIA. That means they will stop most hand gun rounds. A 223 round will go through them like swiss cheese. I shot one of our older shields (Pro-tech) with a bean-bad round from a shotgun at 25 yards. The bean bag round is the size of a quarter roughly and it made a dent in the shield the size of a softball. The depth of the dent was about a 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch also.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #4 on:** July 13, 2006, 01:15:56 PM »

Where do you store the Bat-0-rang?

SMIDSY · « **Reply #5 on:** July 13, 2006, 01:20:55 PM »

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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
my respose would be shoot for the legs...>

IIRC most commonly in room clearing situations, the defender will shoot for the center of mass, unable to make any well aimed shots.

rpm · « **Reply #6 on:** July 13, 2006, 01:23:56 PM »

When do you use the Batpistol with that cool winch thingy?

Tarmac · « **Reply #7 on:** July 13, 2006, 01:29:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Mickey1992
Cool.

How heavy are those ballistic shields, and how do they respond to being hit by a round when held by someone? I have seen video of them being shot at while hanging on a post stationary. But it seems to me that if the shield stops a round, all of that energy is going to get transfered into the arm of the person holding it.

When you're talking about energy transfer, the round hitting won't exert any more force than it did in recoil on the firer (so all those guys getting blown 10 ft backward in movies from a shotgun blast is BS... unless the firer goes flying too). So if a round is fired from a 10 pound gun and hits a 10 pound shield the force of impact and the force of recoil will be about the same (discounting friction, rotational forces if it hits off center, etc).

I'd bet it absorbs far more force than a bulletproof vest (due to padding, since flexability isn't as necessary as a vest), in which a non-penetrating handgun hit is often described as similar to being hit in the vest with a hammer.

AutoPilot · « **Reply #8 on:** July 13, 2006, 03:06:37 PM »

They shoulda made a lower leg shield cuz that right where i would aim.

**** THE POLICE !!!!!!!!!!!-Ice-T

EN4CER · « **Reply #9 on:** July 13, 2006, 03:11:05 PM »

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Originally posted by AutoPilot
They shoulda made a lower leg shield cuz that right where i would aim.

**** THE POLICE !!!!!!!!!!!-Ice-T

They do Todd.

Baker Bat Shield Leg Armor

Debonair · « **Reply #10 on:** July 13, 2006, 03:30:16 PM »

Have you ever danced with the devil by the pale moon light?

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #11 on:** July 13, 2006, 05:48:33 PM »

without hoping to sound too tasteless, ive made molatov's out of half litre bottles of beer and a petrol/styrafoam mixture (my version of napalm

) that would make that patrol cook in thier Kevla..... why do police pack lots of guys into a close group, can yea not afford a shield each??

Meatwad · « **Reply #12 on:** July 13, 2006, 06:31:03 PM »

I thought this was a thread about Batman

BlueJ1 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 13, 2006, 06:36:41 PM »

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Originally posted by B@tfinkV

without hoping to sound too tasteless, ive made molatov's out of half litre bottles of beer and a petrol/styrafoam mixture (my version of napalm ) that would make that patrol cook in thier Kevla..... why do police pack lots of guys into a close group, can yea not afford a shield each??

Their police. Not the military. From what Ive seen and learned SWAT and police usually only have to deal with individuals or small numbers in a isolated area.

Also, I think their sniper would drop you as soon as he saw you lighting it.

AutoPilot · « **Reply #14 on:** July 13, 2006, 10:22:08 PM »

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They do Todd.

Good choice.

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