Author Topic: Stick-stirrers.... (Read 1205 times)

Saxman · « **on:** July 19, 2006, 10:36:33 AM »

Ok, we've all seen it done. You drop in behind someone, and all the sudden the plane starts wobbling and jerking all over the place as your hapless target starts randomly flinging the stick around in a circle as hard as he can, hoping you miss or overshoot. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but it's ALWAYS annoying.

So why not do something about it? If someone tries that nonsense have the plane lose control, controls lock, SOMETHING, ' cause I don't see HOW that sort of rapid, constant control input can be good for ANY plane.

Waffle · « **Reply #1 on:** July 19, 2006, 10:39:35 AM »

Well usually the pilot well get a message "dont move your controls so rapidly", and then a control lock up for "stick-stirring"

Also, If you stall a bird - I'd imagine that might look crazy on someones FE

AKWarp · « **Reply #2 on:** July 19, 2006, 11:16:10 AM »

So you think they should just fly straight and level so you can shoot them down easier?

One thing you need to understand, if you "stir" your stick as hard as you can, the game is going to lock you up. Also, movement of other aircraft during control input is not as smooth in your view as it is on theirs. That's why the 190's always look like they are flopping around so bad, their roll rate is very high and they can roll one way, then back another before your FE updates his actual position.

To say that all they are doing is jerking the stick around as hard as they can is very presumtpive on your part.

The only enemy that didnt' appear to "stir" to me have been those that I've snuck up on, every one else has done the best they can to get out from in front of my guns....as they should.

In other words, I'm not sure I understand what it is you are ranting about here?

Tails · « **Reply #3 on:** July 19, 2006, 11:16:48 AM »

Some aircraft also produce the 'floppy fish' effect when they snaprole. Particularly if it wasn't a graceful one.

bagrat · « **Reply #4 on:** July 19, 2006, 09:45:42 PM »

it looks kinda weird but i think when people do that they're still rotating on the same vertices, so jus shoot in theyre general direction youll probably hit em.

Debonair · « **Reply #5 on:** July 19, 2006, 09:58:05 PM »

I remember reading Va for the F6F was 260kts, so above this IAS wouldn't it suffer structural damage if it's stick was stirred?

ujustdied · « **Reply #6 on:** July 19, 2006, 10:11:21 PM »

i dont know personally i stick stir i mean hell if it can keep me from dieing so be it. all you half to do on a stick stirer is slow down get 200 away and pul the trigger. personally i think stick stiring is a good defensive manouver. i mean hell if it was real life wouldnt you do anything to get the extra 20 seconds of flight?

Yoshimbo · « **Reply #7 on:** July 19, 2006, 10:53:51 PM »

I 've had plp do this with me too many times to count, and it has rarely if not nvr worked. I really don't see the point, the foo always seems to slow waaaay down and pops his plane around and up until it's top is facing me,

(please excuse the crudeness of the drawing)

it is at this time that i close and then proceed to blow the bejesus out the foo.

although this maneuver may make for a potentially easy kill, it is nonetheless annoying at times. (a good deflection shot for the kill is far more satisfying than a point-blank beat down)

This is the result, more often then not:

Debonair · « **Reply #8 on:** July 20, 2006, 12:44:23 AM »

for all teh_evil bill gates & paul allen brought to the work, "Paint" makes up for it...thats great stuff, Afi, lololol

cav58d · « **Reply #9 on:** July 20, 2006, 01:03:38 AM »

I think he's talking abort the "torque roll type maneuver" we have in aces high...Full Power, Wep on, put the nose at an extreme angle of attack, full left and back deflection of the stick, and full left rudder...

thats what I think he is talking about

Yoshimbo · « **Reply #10 on:** July 20, 2006, 01:23:36 AM »

lol:D that torque roll is quite fun.

I mean the whole p47/Spit16 bouncin around in all directions changing heading instantaneusly yet managing to go in the same general direction.

but hey, either way just blast em! (although that torque roll is much harder to hit)

ALL HAIL PAINT!:O

Saxman · « **Reply #11 on:** July 20, 2006, 01:37:45 AM »

No, that's not what I'm talking about. Incidentally, cav, I hear that described most often as a snap-roll.

What I'm talking about are the people who rock the stick forward and back to make their plane pitch up and down, (if my interpretation, Yoshimbo has captured that perfectly in his artwork. Then again, I'm no art critic) or LITERALLY rotate the stick through its full range of motion (like when you're calibrating).

Most of the time, no, it DOESN'T work, at least not for very long, but it gets REAL annoying.

Debonair · « **Reply #12 on:** July 20, 2006, 03:35:06 AM »

there is a few good things u can do when u got some1 on your 6, but getting on your hands and knees & wiggling your bellybutton around is pretty low on my list of 'em lololoolololololololoololollo lolololo:rofl

Masherbrum · « **Reply #13 on:** July 20, 2006, 07:23:15 AM »

It's "Churning Butter".

CptA · « **Reply #14 on:** July 20, 2006, 08:58:20 AM »

I'd be willing to bet that part of it stems from flying with "Twisty" sticks that put the Rudder (Yaw) axis on the same stick as the Ailerons (Roll), and Elevators (Pitch) axes. This make it much easier to accidently add un-intended control inputs, especially under pressure.

Combined with the afore mentioned visual lag due to position packets trying to update both your and his locations in 3D space.

When he suddenly finds himself in a spot, and frantically tries everything in his bag of tricks to escape, the results are probably what you are seeing.

Its just a part of the Sim you have to get used to, and try to make the best of.

CptA