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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #90 on: July 25, 2006, 09:24:26 AM »
So you are saying that Bush is not a small government conservative republican?

Ok.... I admit it... he ain't.   Black said it fairly well tho... just not strong enough...

The worst republican is better for me than the most conservative democrat..  cause... lets face it...

The democrat will say one thing and then... push comes to shove.. he will vote right on down his parties liberal socialist lines... he will put in a buttload of liberal socialist judges and sigh off on every new welfare socialist program that comes down the pike.

I have seen sandie slam a lot of these republicans but rarely if ever slam the much worse liberal socialist democrats.  

Even tho... if you are not a socialist.. the democrats would enrage you.  

The perceotions people get about what you are can often be a total of what you criticize and what you don't.

That is why some here, like sandie, are percieved to be socialists.

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« Reply #91 on: July 25, 2006, 10:48:11 AM »
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I call them out for going ad hominem instead of dealing with the topic at hand.  So they... step up the ad hominem crap.  :rolleyes:
These guys have the debate skills of early hominids...


6000+ posts here and you're not used to it yet? :D

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« Reply #92 on: July 25, 2006, 11:24:33 AM »
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For another thread... Pick your questions/issues.


We don't need another thread since you post regularly on this forum. The content of what you post is there for anyone to read and to make a judgment on. It's not surprising that some find your views liberal. These labels aren't pulled out of thin air. If you feel you are just misunderstood well then take a look at your previous postings.

In addition Laz is also correct in that sometimes it's not just what you post but what you don't:

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I have seen sandie slam a lot of these republicans but rarely if ever slam the much worse liberal socialist democrats.

Even tho... if you are not a socialist.. the democrats would enrage you.

The perceotions people get about what you are can often be a total of what you criticize and what you don't.

That is why some here, like sandie, are percieved to be socialists.




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Keep an open mind and don't try to paint me into some preconceived picture you have drawn up in your head with some agenda you wish to assign to me.




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Don't try and box me in man. I refuse to conform to your preconceived ideas and refuse to be shackled by your labels man...




If you object to labels so strongly you may want to try to avoid the stereotypical 'liberal' responses. I understand that very few liberals like to be called as such but there's no agenda surrounding my use of the word.

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Now... Let's talk about Bruce Bartlett or maybe columnist Fred Barnes or maybe Doug Bandow or maybe William Bryk.


You still haven't expressed to us why you think these folks opinions are now relevant. Plenty of conservatives have been critical of Bush going back to early in his first term, some even before he was elected. Folks like myself, on this forum, have said that Bush is not a conservative years ago. I didn't vote for him or his father and have no real problem with folks criticizing him. He could very well end up being the worst Republican president we have had, next to Lincoln of course.

My agenda simply consists of trying to understand what is so worth mentioning about the fact that Bush isn't so popular with conservatives. He is still better then the alternatives in the past 2 elections, but only by a hair.
    
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I call them out for going ad hominem instead of dealing with the topic at hand. So they... step up the ad hominem crap.
These guys have the debate skills of early hominids...


Referring to someone as a liberal is not an ad hominem. Liberals may not like being called liberals but it is what it is.

As for debating, what's to debate? I stated Pat is right now and has been right for some time. The only question is why is Pat's position now worthy or a topic?

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« Reply #93 on: July 25, 2006, 12:33:46 PM »
Maybe cause he just recently said it?

Do you know what ad hominem means?

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« Reply #94 on: July 25, 2006, 02:37:14 PM »
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Maybe cause he just recently said it?


Recently said what? I got his 'don't label me' and it means nothing given what he has posted on this forum in the past...

I can say I am the King but so what...

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Do you know what ad hominem means?


Sure I do. However, my usage of liberal isn't 'ad hominem'. The discussion of whether he's a liberal or not was well underway before I mentioned it. Saying that his posting history is consistent with some one who is a liberal in rebuttal to his claim that he is not is not an ad hominem. Referring to someone as a liberal does not automatically equal 'ad hominem'.

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« Reply #95 on: July 25, 2006, 03:20:14 PM »
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Liberalism is truly a mental disorder



You know that stuff works for Michael Savage, he is an intersting radio guy.



It just makes you look like a pupet that likes his hand up your ass.

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« Reply #96 on: August 07, 2006, 01:17:27 AM »
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« Reply #97 on: August 07, 2006, 08:31:05 AM »
really?  what is he saying sandie?  that the paris peace talks with the communist vietnamese was such a success that we ought to do the same with the arabs?

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« Reply #98 on: August 07, 2006, 08:43:05 AM »
Here's the gist of what he said.

"Which brings me to the point. America is a world power with a broader interest in the Middle East than Israel's, and if we are to protect those interests and play the role history has assigned us, we cannot allow any nation to exercise veto power over whom we talk to. While most Americans wish to maintain our commitment to the security and survival of Israel, we must declare our political and diplomatic independence of Israel, as Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan all did."

I'll agree that we won't let Israel control our interests in the region. Nor the UN or any other country or a few loud spoken malcontents in this country. A temporary peace through appeasement has already been used up.