More on fluoride...

[Yeager]

Ive been using flouride for 40+ years.....Lots of other things too.

Whoopde do!

[LePaul]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
I will, and you keep on guzzlin that tap water.  We both happy.

Mine goes thru a sink-mounted Brita filter

But by all means, you skip the $35 filter and continue on with your little jihad.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
which gets in our blood which flows through our brains, without doing any real long term research on it.  ..dont let your kids drink fluoridated water and make sure they spit out the darn toothepaste, just in case.

Yadda yadda yadda

We are ALWAYS the long term research.
If we waited for such "long term research" we'd just now be getting things like penicillin and Aspirin.

And studies with rats the problem is.
As much as they have in common with us medically speaking. They are.......... Well, rats. and not human.
Also with rats besides the fact they dont live very long they often do tests using higher concentrated levels of whatever it is they are testing.
As usual even with aspirin and penicillin. Too much is not a good thing.

The only real way to study the long term effects on humans is to do.
 Long term studies on humans.
that is why  usually the claims of long term effects are labeled as "possible" long term effects on humans.
See they think they may know. But they dont really know for sure until they've actually done it with...humans.


Even with this evil Fluoride in the water  and all the other crap we take in we are living longer, more healthy and active lives then ever before.

chit my 70 year old mother was supposed to go river rafting this past weekend and only didnt because of the weather.



Yanno its funny now that I think about it.
When my son was a baby I probably would have stood arm to arm with you in my/yours/our outrage.
I remember back then. "My kid was ONLY gonna have the pure and healthy stuff"

100% pure fruit juice, Babyfood made only from fresh vegetables, Health food cereal (some of it aint bad at all)

None of that processed stuff, or stuff with  chemicals or,artificial ingredients for my kid, And now that I remember it.... The TOOTHPASTE (I swear to god).

It was a gradual thing and I didnt just change overnight. But.
I think this bout of paranoia lasted till he was about 3

15 years later its coca cola, For juice its whatever happens to be on sale and just over the coarse of the last week I picked up my daughter a big arse box of Cinnamon Toast Crunch, several large Slim Jims, and a thing of "Kids Crest with Sparkle Fun Flavor" (with Fluoride ).

Come to think of it. My son. Now 18 managed to get this far without eating entire tubes of toothpaste.
My daughters 9 and she has shown no interest or desire to eat and entire tube of toothpaste either.

I know they are smart but they must be super smart not to join the countless numbers in pandemic proportions whom are ODing on toothpaste these days.
I mean the morgue and cemeteries are just full of em!

Dunno. maybe they just havent been subjected to the kind of peer pressure that causes all these kids to join in the fun of eating toothpaste.

With all the things we are exposed to,ingest and breathe in on a daily basis.
You picked a hell of a thing to get your panties in a bunch over. LOL

Oh well I guess we must all have our causes.

[Russian]

First start from little stuff, like dihydrooxide, and then work up to fluoride...

http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by eureka101
fluoride safe in low concentration as in tap water.

Is it?  Read the poison control warning on the back of your toothpaste tube.  So somewhere between tap water and toothpaste, fluoride turns deadly.  Like I said above, who is responsible for making sure the 1ppm in tap water doesnt spike to deadly levels?

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by LePaul
Mine goes thru a sink-mounted Brita filter

But by all means, you skip the $35 filter and continue on with your little jihad.

Charcoal filters and other bed bath and beyond stuff only filter out a small fraction of fluoride, I drink bottled water, but now that the food lobbyists are massaging washington into allowing fluoride residue from pesticides into the food it makes, none of us can escape.  I am all for freedom of choice, but it seems that we are going to be fluoride test subjects no matter what.

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by Russian
What is UL of DV for fluoride?

I dont know.  What is UL and what is DV?

[Chairboy]

Whitehawk, I applaud your courage.  Entering a conversation like this armed with nothing but your convictions while everyone else has a scientific education requires tremendous fortitude.

I commend you for your unwillingness to be led off course by facts.  

Bravo, sir.

[eagl]

To be honest, I've done some reading up on this and it does appear that the risk is reasonably high that flouride in the water does have some bad side effects.  The one I am a bit concerned about is the flouride appears to increase the amount of other metals the body accumulates and those other metals are pretty bad for you (mercury, lead, etc).

I read a few articles while I was in the UK and although not known for having good teeth (heh), the Brits have looked at the exact same evidence we have and decided that with the prevalence of flouride toothpaste, rinses, and routine professional dental care, there is no compelling reason to put flouride in their water.

I'm not convinced either way, but I know that when the US started putting flouride in the water the quality and access to dental care products was not what it is today.  In addition, medical issues in the US such as this tend to be carried by waves of popular emotional support rather than purely scientific basis.  Case in point, is the hype regarding how great margarine is and how it would end heart disease.  Now we know that pure butter is better for you than those early margarines....

I'd rather err on the side of caution and rely on flouride you spit back out.  Not worried enough to become an activist, but I'd personally prefer non-flouridated water if given the option.

[AquaShrimp]

Now I do have evidence that drinking more than 8 glasses of water a day causes increased risk of bladder cancer.  This is due to chlorine residues in the water.

Hmmm, maybe I should look into getting a filter.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by eagl


I'm not convinced either way, but I know that when the US started putting flouride in the water the quality and access to dental care products was not what it is today.

Now THAT is the most compelling arguement to not have floride in the drinking water I've seen yet

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by eureka101
Small point: chemical element Fluorine not a metal.

the chemical that is added to water is not naturally occuring fluoride or fluorine.  It is a man made chemical,  synthetic fluorine or sodium fluoiride.  This chemical was made in mass quaintities during WWII to aid, in some way or another, in the manufacture of or enrichment of uranium for nukes.  
  Just to be clear here on what is being put in our water is a chemical, sodium fluoride, that is first used in the scrubbing of aluminum of its impurities, like lead and mercury.  Then 1 of 2 things happens to it.  It is either disposed of, at great cost, by aluminum manufacturers via toxic waste disposal companies, or sold, at great profit, to water treatment facilities and posion manufacturers.        The connection between heavy metal buildup in the human body and fluoride has been made by public health groups, (conspiracy whacko, tree hugger commies) and these same groups contend that the buildup is not some phenomena but simply due to dirty fluoride.  I guess the question here is 'is this the best way to get fluoride to the enamal'?  If 99.95% of the water wasnt flushed down the drain a much smaller portion of fluoride would be required to do the exact same job, which would be much easier and cost effective to ensure clean heavy metal free fluoride for a rinse, greatly reducing or eliminating any hidden long term side effects that a life of fluoride ingestion may cause.

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Now I do have evidence that drinking more than 8 glasses of water a day causes increased risk of bladder cancer.  This is due to chlorine residues in the water.

Hmmm, maybe I should look into getting a filter.

The only way to get the chlorine and fluoride (and everything else) out of your water for sure, is to get a reverse osmosis scrubber.  Ive seen them for under 500 bucks.  A bit steep but a lot cheaper than bone disease or liver cancer or alzhiemers.

[Furball]

seen any cloud seeders lately?

[vorticon]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Is it?  Read the poison control warning on the back of your toothpaste tube.  So somewhere between tap water and toothpaste, fluoride turns deadly.  Like I said above, who is responsible for making sure the 1ppm in tap water doesnt spike to deadly levels?

and somewhere between a sprinkle and a tablespoon, cayenne pepper makes my yummy food very hot.

and the guy responsible to keep it at safe levels is probably the same guy who keeps the chlorine at a good level.
and i bet hes  a lot more worried about that than he is about the floride.

and frankly, i'd be a lot more worried about the guys who monitor the ammonia at your local ice rink than him.