Author Topic: More on fluoride... (Read 953 times)

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #30 on:** July 23, 2006, 01:07:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Whitehawk, I applaud your courage. Entering a conversation like this armed with nothing but your convictions while everyone else has a scientific education requires tremendous fortitude.

I commend you for your unwillingness to be led off course by facts.

Bravo, sir.

wow. Could you back up that drivel with some quotes? You are the one who enetered without any education or the resemblance there of. I started the thread, you just dove in the pile in some misguided effort to be accepted by your peers, which indicates a severe lack of courage as well as education.
Go ahead take the stand and display your overwhelming intelligence. What scientific evidence are you referring to? I'll debate ya, one on one. Cmon, cmon,

J_A_B · « **Reply #31 on:** July 23, 2006, 01:15:00 PM »

That paranoid-black-helicopter icon thingy sums up the original post pretty well.

You *can* rinse your mouth with flouride for the same beneficial effect. They put it in your water because most people are too lazy to do it.

I'm sure the bottled water companies love this sort of midguided paranoia, as they continue selling a plentiful product for ripoff prices. If not for such people, they'd be out of business.

J_A_B

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #32 on:** July 23, 2006, 01:36:00 PM »

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Originally posted by J_A_B
That paranoid-black-helicopter icon thingy sums up the original post pretty well.

You *can* rinse your mouth with flouride for the same beneficial effect. They put it in your water because most people are too lazy to do it.

I'm sure the bottled water companies love this sort of midguided paranoia, as they continue selling a plentiful product for ripoff prices. If not for such people, they'd be out of business.

J_A_B

Ok, so the fluoride is injected into water which then winds up in our brains because there are people too lazy to take care of thier teeth? Are you OK with the force feeding of a chemical that is, unit for unit, more toxic than lead? I think that is my argument, provide free fluroidated drinks to the lazy and let me have 1 less pesticide in my brain.

J_A_B · « **Reply #33 on:** July 23, 2006, 01:55:45 PM »

"Are you OK with the force feeding of a chemical that is, unit for unit, more toxic than lead?"

Yes, I'm perfectly okay with it.

I also lived in a house that was full of lead-based paint, I used to play with mercury, and I don't call out the hazmat squad if I spill some motor oil. I'm not dead yet.

Do you really buy into this sensational fearmongering?

If so, you should be made aware that water itself is an extremely dangerous substance. Full immersion in it causes death within minutes! Many, many people are killed annually by this scourge!

J_A_B

AquaShrimp · « **Reply #34 on:** July 23, 2006, 02:12:56 PM »

Heres a chinese paper stating that fluoride lowers childrens IQ. Confounders such as econmic level, parents education, etc, were taken into consideration.

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EFFECT OF FLUORIDE IN DRINKING WATER
ON CHILDREN’S INTELLIGENCE
Q Xiang,a Y Liang,a L Chen,b C Wang,b B Chen,a X Chen,b M Zhouc
Shanghai, P.R. China
SUMMARY: The Intelligence Quotient (IQ) was measured in 512 children,
aged 8–13 years, living in two villages in Sihong County, Jiangsu Province,
China, differing in the level of fluoride in their drinking water. In the highfluoride
village of Wamiao (water fluoride: 2.47±0.79 mg/L; range: 0.57–4.50
mg/L), the mean IQ of 222 children was significantly lower (92.02±13.00;
range: 54–126) than in the low-fluoride village of Xinhuai (water fluoride:
0.36±0.15 mg/L; range: 0.18–0.76 mg/L), where the mean IQ of 290 children
was higher (100.41±13.21; range: 60–128). The children’s IQs were not related
to urinary iodine, family income, or parent’s education level. Higher drinking
water fluoride levels were significantly associated with higher rates of mental
retardation (IQ <70) and borderline intelligence (IQ 70–79). The Benchmark
Concentration (BMC) for the concentration-response relationship between IQ
<80 and the drinking water fluoride level was 2.32 mg/L, and the lower-bound
confidence limit (BMCL) of the BMC was 1.85 mg/L. Taking dental fluorosis
and other sources of dietary fluoride into account, the reference value concentration
(RfC) for fluoride was calculated to be 0.925 mg/L, which is very
close to the current national Chinese standard of <1.0 mg/L. In endemic fluorosis
areas, drinking water fluoride levels greater than 1.0 mg/L may adversely
affect the development of children’s intelligence.
Keywords: Children’s intelligence; China; Fluoride in village water; Intelligence Quotient.

Russian · « **Reply #35 on:** July 23, 2006, 02:34:39 PM »

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*US population has access to water with an optimal fluoride concentration, which typically deliveres about 1 part per million.
*Some uninformed fluoride opponents claim that communities using fluoride water have an increased cancer rate, but studies show no connection.

Cited : Nutrition: concepts and controversies. 10 Ed, 2006, pg 294

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #36 on:** July 23, 2006, 02:39:55 PM »

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Originally posted by J_A_B
"Are you OK with the force feeding of a chemical that is, unit for unit, more toxic than lead?"

Yes, I'm perfectly okay with it.

I also lived in a house that was full of lead-based paint, I used to play with mercury, and I don't call out the hazmat squad if I spill some motor oil. I'm not dead yet.

Do you really buy into this sensational fearmongering?

If so, you should be made aware that water itself is an extremely dangerous substance. Full immersion in it causes death within minutes! Many, many people are killed annually by this scourge!

J_A_B

Fluoride is not a killer, it is a disease causer and like the post directly above, is rumored to cause lower IQ's. All I am saying is when one weighs the risk vs the benifit, it makes absolutely no sense to force EVERYBODY to mainline fluoride. The program is mired in contorversy but yet 'they' insist on expanding it. No vote, no publicity, just here it is like it or not, its for your own good.
And yes, until somebody can answer the questions, I will avoid fluoride as if it were posion, because it is.
Can you set me straight? Can you honestly say you cant think of a safer more efficient way to get fluoride on to the enamel?

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #37 on:** July 23, 2006, 02:54:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Russian

April 6, 2006 - Boys who drink fluoridated water have an increased risk of a deadly bone cancer, a new study suggests.

Elise Bassin, DDS, completed the study in 2001 for her doctoral dissertation at Harvard, where she now is clinical instructor in oral health policy and epidemiology. The study finally was published in the May issue of Cancer Causes and Control.

Bassin and colleagues' major finding: Boys who grew up in communities that added at least moderate levels of fluoride to their water got bone cancer -- osteosarcoma -- more often than boys who drank water with little or no fluoride.

The risk peaked for boys who drank more highly fluoridated water between the ages of 6 and 8 years -- a time at which children undergo a major growth spurt. By the time they were 20, these boys got bone cancer 5.46 times more often than boys with the lowest consumption. No effect was seen for girls.

The 'cut and pastes' go both ways. The representatives of mass fluoridation cant find a connection where as the public health groups can. Do you believe we should wait until the connection is so obvious that even the defenders of mass fluoridation cant deny it?

BGBMAW · « **Reply #38 on:** July 23, 2006, 03:42:29 PM »

ok ding dongs

do a search..

Flouride is banned in Hawaii..its citizesn said NO..

They have the highets rate of rotten teeth in the USA

ill pass on that

J_A_B · « **Reply #39 on:** July 23, 2006, 03:47:26 PM »

Phrases like "force feeding" are a bit over-the-top. Are the agents in those black helicopters actually parachuting into your home in the dead of night and forcibly pouring the fluoride-poison water down your gullet? It occured to me that I drink very little of the water around here. (Landfill runoff water probably tastes better than the water my town provides.) So much for being "forced" into drinking the stuff.

"Can you set me straight?"

No, and I can't set straight the people who believe in WTC conspiracy theories or those who believe there's an alien spaceship in Area 51, either. People believe what they want to believe. If you really want to believe your government is a melevolent entity that wants to kill you for no reason, that's your right.

On this BBS you even get the fitting icon. Here's another

for good measure.

J_A_B

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #40 on:** July 23, 2006, 03:50:37 PM »

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Originally posted by J_A_B
"Are you OK with the force feeding of a chemical that is, unit for unit, more toxic than lead?"

Yes, I'm perfectly okay with it.

J_A_B

fluoride lowers IQ.

"Are you OK with the force feeding of a chemical that is, unit for unit, more toxic than lead?"

Yes, I'm perfectly okay with it.

Fluoride lowers IQ.

"Are you OK with the force feeding of a chemical that is, unit for unit, more toxic than lead?"

Yes, I'm perfectly okay with it.

fluoride lowers IQ.

hehe, 'they' are a clever bunch.

J_A_B · « **Reply #41 on:** July 23, 2006, 03:58:35 PM »

There's one small problem with your theory. I grew up in a home with well water. I never lived in a place with city water until I was in my late teens, and as I noted, I barely drink the water anyway.

J_A_B

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #42 on:** July 23, 2006, 04:14:14 PM »

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Originally posted by J_A_B
There's one small problem with your theory. I grew up in a home with well water. I never lived in a place with city water until I was in my late teens, and as I noted, I barely drink the water anyway.

J_A_B

yea, i dont blame ya. Its nasty.

AquaShrimp · « **Reply #43 on:** July 23, 2006, 04:18:04 PM »

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Flouride is banned in Hawaii..its citizesn said NO..

They have the highets rate of rotten teeth in the USA

There could be alot of reasons for that.

Hawaii is a tropical state, which produces many high sugar-content food products (chocolate, sugar cane, pineapples). I would say this is the biggest contributor.

Not to mention that the drug of choice in Hawaii is crystal meth. This will cause a person's teeth to fall out regardless of fluoride.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #44 on:** July 23, 2006, 05:30:36 PM »

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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
There could be alot of reasons for that.

Hawaii is a tropical state, which produces many high sugar-content food products (chocolate, sugar cane, pineapples). I would say this is the biggest contributor.

Not to mention that the drug of choice in Hawaii is crystal meth. This will cause a person's teeth to fall out regardless of fluoride.

Only 1 problem with that.
contrary to popular beleif.
Sugar doesnt cause Diabetes
And sugar doesnt cause Tooth decay

What sugar does is attract the type of bacteria that causes tooth decay.
Easily preventable if you brush your teeth.
Or drink floride treated water.

Good god if your worried about that. WHATEVER you do.
dont look in to the kinda of ingredients,chemicals both residual and added during the manufacturing process of the rest of the foods you eat.

You may have to stop eating food altogether.

Hmmm. then again. On second thought. DO look into it

To confound that (probably bogus ) study of the link between IQ and Floride.

My 9 year old daughter was given an IQ test a year ago. She scored 110

My 18 year old son was just accepted into Rutgers was given his choice of campus because he graduated well within the top 12% of all Highschool graduates.

and wouldnt surprise me if it was another one of those studies that is later disproven.
Seems to happen all the time