Author Topic: AMD buys ATI! (Read 752 times)

mipoikel · « **on:** July 24, 2006, 08:29:41 AM »

Wow

http://www.amd.com/us-en/0,,3715_14197_14198,00.html?redir=goBG01

Kev367th · « **Reply #1 on:** July 24, 2006, 08:58:54 AM »

Yup, it's been being talked about for a while now.

Wonder if this will also to help push the Torrenza 4x4?
As the 2nd socket on the motherboard doesn't have to be used for a processor, but instead can fit a GPU or PPU or maybe a combined GPU/GPU.

Quad core K8L on 4x4 with a combined GPU/PPU in the 2nd socket?

Mini D · « **Reply #2 on:** July 24, 2006, 10:24:23 AM »

This is not good news for the graphics side of the house. This isn't being done to develope a better solution for ATI's high end 3d cards. It's being done for a cheap affordable minimal performance workstation solution.

Mini D · « **Reply #3 on:** July 24, 2006, 11:06:22 AM »

I read up a bit more on this and AMD is looking for 4 things:

1) A chipset they can call their own
2) An integrated solution for workstations
3) An integrated solution for breaking into the multi-media box market
4) A means to break into the hand-held device market

I don't see #4 working out, but maybe AMD can figure something out there that Intel missed. None of the rest of the items spell out anything for performance PC enhancement.

The big question is how this is going to impact NVidia. AMD bought the competitor of the company that currently makes the best chipset for their CPU.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #4 on:** July 24, 2006, 12:24:42 PM »

The ramifications of this is going to take a while to shake out, but I do not see it boding well for many consumers.

I started listing all the things wrong with this acquisition, but when I got to item 13, I figured I might as well stop. This deal is just going to be bad for many, many people.

handy169 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 24, 2006, 12:33:30 PM »

i myself like nvidia chipsets with my amd and nvidia video cards.. but i guess if your a ATI fan it will work out good

Eagler · « **Reply #6 on:** July 24, 2006, 12:38:57 PM »

considering ati usually worked best with intel chips while amd liked nividia better, it seems like a strange union to me

maybe amd is trying to kill ati

handy169 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 24, 2006, 12:40:13 PM »

now theres a idea .. *ponders*

Roscoroo · « **Reply #8 on:** July 24, 2006, 01:12:34 PM »

whats really weird is AMD cpu's love the Nforce boards (Nvidia chipset)

I've never had any problems with ATI cards on an amd based pc ...
but i have had and seen lots of funny things with nvidia cards in them ,,, some of these card were real flops though to .

Kev367th · « **Reply #9 on:** July 24, 2006, 03:02:40 PM »

Starting to wonder if AMD has totally lost the plot, or if they have something up their sleeve.

Krusty · « **Reply #10 on:** July 24, 2006, 03:26:51 PM »

Conroe has them scared. The next thing requires them to have their own GPU. They don't have time to make their own brand so they buy a brand. They hope (I'm wildly and randomly speculating) to combine their CPUs with their own GPUs to integrate the two, either enhancing the communication between both, or ultimately (

) making 1 CPU with a GPU internally built in.

Like I said, wild speculation, but I bet it's all because of Conroe. There's no way they can slash prices to compete, so they must be looking ahead to beating Intel with the next thing they come up with.

Kev367th · « **Reply #11 on:** July 24, 2006, 03:47:18 PM »

Prices dropped today by on average 50% on all single core and X2's.

Best of the bunch has to be the X2 5000.
FX-62 only dropped by $200, and it's still no-where near worth the lower $800 price, it needed to follow the rest and come down to $500 - $550 AT THE MOST.
No idea how AMD expects to sell ANY FX-62's.

New offcial prices -

FX60 $769 (AM2 only)
FX55 $400

Socket 939
X2 4200+ $187
X2 4400+ $442 (no longer being made, still old price)
X2 4600+ $240
X2 4800+ $320 (no longer being made, still old price)

Socket AM2
FX62 $8277
X2 5000+ $301
X2 4600+ $240
X2 4200+ $187
X2 3800+ $152

Not including Semprons, or single cores.

Full list here -
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_609,00.html?redir=CPT301

Skuzzy · « **Reply #12 on:** July 24, 2006, 04:36:43 PM »

The only benefit I see from this for AMD is the hope of breaking into the OEM market in a big way. The fewer places an OEM has to buy from, the better it is for them. They will be able to offer one stop shopping to OEM's now.

But all the other negatives in this decision have me wondering and scratching my head.

Kev367th · « **Reply #13 on:** July 24, 2006, 04:45:14 PM »

Could be Skuzzy, they will be able to produce their own -
CPU
Chipset
Graphics card or embedded graphics

all "in-house".

Still think there's something more they're not telling us mere mortals.
My guess it will be something to give "Torrenza" a jump start, not at it's launch later this year, but tied in with the K8L mid 2007 (yes it's on track despite what appeared last week).

Or else someone at AMD has been on the old "wacky baccy".

Skuzzy · « **Reply #14 on:** July 24, 2006, 04:55:45 PM »

Well, let's be honest. AMD has not done that well in the OEM market. It is where Intel gets it large sales percentage. Intel can offer one stop shopping. AMD has not been able to do that.

With this acquisition (still pending by the way), AMD has everything they need to be able to have a shot at competing in the OEM market.

And let's face it. The OEM market is where the money is at. It's not in the aftermarket or the gamer corner.

The problem with the timing is Conroe. It is going to put the slapdown on AMD in the OEM market. The likelihood of AMD being successful in the OEM market does not look good.
The only thing they may be able to tangle up Intel with is the chipset pricing. If AMD can get the chipset pricing lower than Intel, theny could have a viable offering to OEM's.

I dunno. Seems like a very risky gamble on thier part, and the timing sucks.