prob a repeat, Mosquito bomber.

[SD67]

Why is there never going to be a Mk XVIII?

[Karnak]

Originally posted by SD67
Why is there never going to be a Mk XVIII?

I have talked directly with Pyro about this.  He said the reason is that an FB.Mk XVIII could sit 2k+ behind a bomber formation and annilate it without the bombers having a chance to fight back.

Also less than 30 of them were built.


I also think it would have an overly negative effect on the GV game.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by viper215
38J

The J?  Surely you must mean the L, after all it carries a larger payload than the J.  


ack-ack

[Kweassa]

Currently the Mossie is a rather weak attacker {the guns are murder though!}, though I occasionaly fly it I still am holding out for the bomber version with increased payload/speed at altitude.

 It's not the Mossie is weak, but rather some fighter/bombers (mostly AAC types) in the game typically carry a lot more ordnance than it usually would. For instance, IIRC the 1k GP bombs themselves were pretty rare in usage as compared to the more common 500lbs bombs, not to mention some planes like the P-38L would usually made it a habit to take off with lightened fuel loads when they would actually strap themselves with so many bombs and rockets.

 Imagine what the MA'd be like if 1k bombs were taken out of the game, or perked at a reasonable price to keep it rare. If most fighter/bombers are limited to 500lbs bombs, you'd soon realize that many of the 'attacker' planes we have in the game actually carry a significantly heavier load for the jabo load.

 However, as it is, we've got late-war US fighter/bombers that carry some 3,000~4,000 lbs worth of bombs and rockets, free of charge. These fighter/bombers not only carry much heavier loads than some of the specialized attacker planes (such as the A-20 or the Mossie), but it also functions as a normal fighter aircraft after the bombs are dumped.

 According to my analysis, this is actually one of the reasons of frequent phenomena in the MA known as 'suicidal jabos'. Basically, if something like a P-51D or a P-47 or a Typhoon comes in with alt, it is basically uninterceptable. People could just slam full throttle and angle themselves straight to the target field, and nothing can stop them in time before they dump their payload. I mean, whose gonna catch up with a P-47 or a P-51 in a dive? Even with the added drag of the bombs and rockets they're still faster than most planes in a dive.

 IMO, the heaviest of ordnance options should be perked, so most fighters are usually limited to one or two 500lbs bombs max, and only the attacker lanes may carry much heavier loads for free. If that be the case, then the planes like Mossies, 110s, or A-20s would be considered a very significant attacker plane in the game, not to mention reduce the overall effectiveness of suicidal attack runs.

[Karnak]

Kweassa,

Yes, the "all in one" aircraft certainly do play a part in the lack of variety in the MA.

It would be nice to see other aircraft shine in their roles rather than having those roles taken by aircraft that didn't usually do them.

[stephen]

I can not agree with the glass nose mossie being to slow to survive, at altitude even though some planes could catch it, from a bombing alt of...lets see, 15000 ft, unless they have an altitude advantage not much is going to catch her.

at 20000 ft  doing in excess of 350ias being caught is unlikly,...heck in a b17 most folks just let you on through at that hieght because its rather boring to climb that hi, and the bombers that bother to take the time to climb to that alt are usualy decent gunners. defensive armrment was not all that necesary when only a 190D9 or some other such freak happend to be at that alt, and in game with proper route planning ole mossie would stand a rather good chance of arriving over the target at supperior alt, dropping her bombs, and hauly but out,,:aok

[Karnak]

Originally posted by stephen
I can not agree with the glass nose mossie being to slow to survive, at altitude even though some planes could catch it, from a bombing alt of...lets see, 15000 ft, unless they have an altitude advantage not much is going to catch her.

at 20000 ft  doing in excess of 350ias being caught is unlikly,...heck in a b17 most folks just let you on through at that hieght because its rather boring to climb that hi, and the bombers that bother to take the time to climb to that alt are usualy decent gunners. defensive armrment was not all that necesary when only a 190D9 or some other such freak happend to be at that alt, and in game with proper route planning ole mossie would stand a rather good chance of arriving over the target at supperior alt, dropping her bombs, and hauly but out,,:aok

Imagine doing 400+ at 27,000ft in a Mosquito B.Mk XVI.

Pretty much nothing short of an Me163 will get you unless it is pre-positioned, and even then it will be a challenge in many cases.  No Spitifire other than the Mk XIV could catch you without a significant altitude advantage.  La-7 and Tiffe?  Not a prayer.

[Kev367th]

Probably only the -

Spit XIV, K4, P47N would stand a chance.

163 and 262 wouldn't have a problem.

Would be a good addition, bring on the Mossie XVI.

[Karnak]

Depends on the 262's altitude when starting the intercept.  A Me262 just lifting or still on climbout at 5-10,000ft would have troube gaining altitude before the Mossie got out of dot range.

[EagleDNY]

Originally posted by Kweassa

 Imagine what the MA'd be like if 1k bombs were taken out of the game, or perked at a reasonable price to keep it rare... IMO, the heaviest of ordnance options should be perked, so most fighters are usually limited to one or two 500lbs bombs max, and only the attacker lanes may carry much heavier loads for free. If that be the case, then the planes like Mossies, 110s, or A-20s would be considered a very significant attacker plane in the game, not to mention reduce the overall effectiveness of suicidal attack runs.

I'm with you on this Kweassa - a lot of interesting planes are doomed to be hanger queens the way the game is set now.  Why would anyone ever up a TBM from a CV when you can just up an F6F or F4U with the same bombload?  Why take a Mossie out when you can get the same bombload onto a P51?  

Some kind of sliding perk point cost for big ordinance might be a good solution for the suicide jabo - IMHO it would be worth a tryout anyway.

EagleDNY
$.02

[MOSQ]

I'd be pretty happy if they would just remove the flame dampers and fix the CoG.

I do have a question for our Mosquito experts. Was the glass in the Mosquito armoured?

The reason I ask is that our Mossie is a pilot wound magnet. I've flown as many as 8 straight missions and been pilot wounded every time. Even the pintle gun on a Panzer will cause a pilot wound with just a hit or two.

I can think of two reasons:

1) Our Mossie has no cockpit armour other than the seat back.

or
 
2) The AH damage model equates a hit inside the cockpit with a pilot wound. Since the Mossie cockpit is large compared to any fighter, you stand a much higher chance of getting a hit in the navigator's position and thereby wounding the pilot.

Any thoughts on Mosquito pilot wounds?

[Karnak]

The Mossie FB.6 was protected from the front by bulletproof glass on the wind screen and by the .303 mounting in front of the cockpit.  There may have been some armor between the .303 mounting and the cockpit, I'd have to look it up to be sure.  The seat is armored in the back and from the bottom.

I too have had more pilot wounds than expected in the Mossie.  I understand the P-38, A-20 and Bf110 suffer the same issue.  My guess is the lack of an engine block in front of the pilot is being expressed a bit to strongly.

[Scherf]

I've a diagram here which says there was 6mm of armour plate between the crew and the nose mgs.

And yes, the AH Mossie is a pilot wound magnet versus gvs.