Bf109 Rolls

[Westy MOL]

http://downloads.ofmc.co.uk/mhvideo256.wmv

I want HTC to model this Spitfire!! NOt the bogus one in AH  

 And actually Fscott, your post do prove one thing. You don't know what the hell your talking about and are wishy washy to the bone being swayed easily by nothing more than anecdote and heresay.

 Remember WW2O? lol.

 Westy

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[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Holy crap.. upon further review of the film... can't help but notice that the video is playing about twice as fast as the audio.  I wonder why that is.

Are you suggesting that AH's 109G-2 rolls too fast?  

-- Todd/DMF

[AKSWulfe]

Originally posted by Possi:
The Point is the NACA is wrong!!!
You believe Paper or what you see and hear from Veterans Pilots from WW2 the fly a Bf109?

I believe data over what someone says. No matter if they flew that plane FIFTY years ago or not.

You can do some pretty amazing things in a 190 versus Spitfire, like turn inside of him and shoot him down. Lots of 190 pilots did that during the war and it's recorded that way... One thing they failed to mention was pilot skill. They were probably shooting down someone who just got up for his first combat sortie.

So if we were to go by that pilot's account of what happened, all 190s would turn inside of Spitfires. Unfortunately for people like you Possi, there are such things as testing aircraft that ensures it isn't based on roadkill but fact.
-SW

[fscott]

Westy don't argue with me.  I have an opinion, if you don't like it then I'm sorry.

Yes my opinion can change next week.

[Possi]

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
I really love this video.

I especially like that in-spite of the fact that the video itself is clipped, the audio transition is seamless.  Especially after the first rollout where the engine noise never skips a beat despite the plane instantly changing direction and altitude.

Holy crap.. upon further review of the film... can't help but notice that the video is playing about twice as fast as the audio.  I wonder why that is.

AKDejaVu

Oh toejam you got me,this is a BIG German Propagandavideo to get this all AH-Player.

Hmm ,the sound goes more slowly to the microphone like the picture,i think this is Pyhsik or?!  
I canīt believe it what i read here,oh my Good

[fscott]

Possi, how the hell did they edit that video? Man them germans are far too smart for us dumb americans...

[AKDejaVu]

Hmm ,the sound goes more slowly to the microphone like the picture,i think this is Pyhsik or?!

Physics causes sound to be delayed to the microphone.  It does not cause sound to be heard at half speed.

Is there a reason that the plane freezes in mid air while the remainder of the sound track plays out?  Maybe its some kind of new physics?

AKDejaVu

[Westy MOL]

Who's arguing Fscott? I simply think your a zipper heard and Possi is a troll. But that's just my opinion  

[Possi]

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:


Physics causes sound to be delayed to the microphone.  It does not cause sound to be heard at half speed.

Is there a reason that the plane freezes in mid air while the remainder of the sound track plays out?  Maybe its some kind of new physics?

AKDejaVu

American Physik  

[AKDejaVu]

BTW... its a 109 at an airshow.  I'm sure they were rolling it at max speed there.  Its pretty typical to stress the plane out at an airshow with a vintage aircraft.

As a matter of fact... I'm sure we should be able to grab any statistical ability information we need on the 109 from this aircraft.  Afterall... its 100% accurate right?

This film highlights the desire for people to support Oleg's 109 FM at all costs.  They must resort to such a cheesy hack of a video clip in order to maintain any hope that he is right.  To be honest, its all they have to go on other than Oleg's word and right now its looking like its holding up about as well.

AKdejaVu

[fscott]

Westy, I'd like for you just ONE TIME point out where I have called someone else a name.

Please have more class because when you resort to insults and namecalling it simply shows that your arguement is dwindling.

Think about science.  Theories are proven and disproven everyday.  Great physicists will change their mind every week in light of new evidence or even the hint of new evidence.  Are you calling these great men zipperheads and wishy washy also?

Since there is no absolute in the world of flight models, all of them, are well.. theories.

It is more ridiculous to grasp onto *one* "flight model" theory and then close your mind to all other theories.

And yes theories can be based upon "stats" and reports such as our beloved NACA flight tests.

Well, Oleg has another theory based upon Russian tests.  And after looking at all the current evidence, this scientist is inclined to put more weight on Oleg's model.

Of which is toned down a tad in the latest beta BTW.  But not much.

[Fatty]

Reiterating DMF's post and my own, I still don't see what is in that film that cannot be done quite easily in Aces High.

[Possi]

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[Possi]

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[highflyer]

Hacked video? hmm Dont have sound right now.

Looked fine to me however.

I really think that it is a good Idea to keep an open mind about flight models. For those that only stick to one brand X modeling technique, is to limit the possiblities that an overall conglomeration of Ideas that both companies have brought forth.

From this video, Id say that AH and IL2 both do a good job, It is just my opinon that the latter does a better job.

Somewhere between the AH FM and IL2 FM lay the best of both worlds most likely.

-Just my Thoughts