Author Topic: Stick "stirring"? (Read 861 times)

rv6 · « **on:** July 26, 2006, 06:02:05 AM »

I often see a CH200 insult that goes lik'a this'a..

"Nice stick stirring you dweeb!"

I know the entire theory behind stick stirring, but in the last 238 years of playing AH, I never saw it happen?

For instance, just last night, I had an nme drop down behind me, and I lined him up on my 6 on purpose, nose down, slight dive.

I tried to move the stick in circles (is this a stir?).. and I got the "Dont move your controls so rapidly" thing,, controls locked up. He shot me.

Next, got another nme on 6 (not hard to do! ha!), and I moved the stick back, forth, side to side, randomly,, 3 seconds of this and "Dont move your controls so rapidly" thing,, controls locked up.

From the other point of view..
Many times I've been stuck to an nme planes' 6, and his plane goes into these wild oscillations? Almost looks like a blurry, mini-lag,, (is THIS stick stirring?)..

All you have to do is chop the throttle slow up a tad, and fire into the center of where he's mostly "at". POP. He explodes..

So could someone explain how a "stick stir" is so enflammatory to some? I'd love to see one done the right way..

(and NO, this is not some sort of reverse insultory joke, I'm genuinely curious).

RV6

68Ripper · « **Reply #1 on:** July 26, 2006, 06:37:06 AM »

I think those that are claiming "stick stirring" are actually just being out manuvered!

Masherbrum · « **Reply #2 on:** July 26, 2006, 06:53:21 AM »

It's "churning butter".

Schatzi · « **Reply #3 on:** July 26, 2006, 06:53:26 AM »

Also, sometimes - due to lag id guess - a well executed snaproll can look like the "dryland trout" maneuver.

I think that stick stirring as in "moving stick randomly and fast" will always get a "dont move yadda yadda". Im not sure if it could be influenced by Joystick scaling, but i think that would just make controls so sluggish that it outweights the "benefit" of stick stirring.

That doesnt mean ive never had a con in my sights that kept rolling and changing vector rather quick to avoid getting shot. But i dont qualify that as stick stirring.

OOZ662 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 26, 2006, 07:10:24 AM »

Apparently stick sturring is done by moving the stick very little distance (to avoid the controls lock) but swinging it around so fast the smoothing code can't keep up with it. I've never tried it myself, though.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 26, 2006, 07:59:27 AM »

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Originally posted by Schatzi
Also, sometimes - due to lag id guess - a well executed snaproll can look like the "dryland trout" maneuver.

You do realize that I put a patent on that phrase, right?

SkyRock · « **Reply #6 on:** July 26, 2006, 08:25:27 AM »

This is a funny post! Stick stirring is when someone frantically moves his stick into any sort of combinations to try and get the enemy on his 6 to miss the shot! It is a legitimate action if the enemy is very close and going way too fast! I think what you see most "complain" about is when you see someone doing it way too early in the closure instead of really trying to do a reversal manuver. Literally, I have seen somone start stick stirring when I am 1000 out and closing d-100 every two seconds! At that closure rate it is just silly to see! I mean he might as well put on his brakes and slap a "Shoot me here" sticker on his ass! In a situation where an enemy is closing from the 6 position, one should be thinking of ways to save as much of his E as possible to kill the attacker, not to move the stick and back and forth and hope for the best but to actually calculate closure rate and do a strategic manuver to set something up where he loses all if not at least a little of his advantage. It is not uncommmon for me to be attacked from the six, flat turn opisite vert roll, rinse and repeat, until I have drained the attackers E to a point where when he pulls vert to come back for anohter pass, and I have enough E to follow him up and kill him! This can be practiced in the DA or TA by just getting a friend or trainer to attack from the 6 until you feel comfortable with estimating the E and possible angles that you might use to "reverse" the attack!:aok

rv6 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 26, 2006, 08:38:24 AM »

Okee dokee, if I hear you guys (and gal) correctly, (and the list above is in my humble opinion, some of the more knowlegeable sticks in this game)..

Stick stirring is not really an online game-flaw trick? It's just a perception of an online game-flaw trick, that really don't exist, but is whined about?

(Gezuz,, that even sounds confusing to me, and I wrote it!)

Appreciate your opinions.

RV6

SkyRock · « **Reply #8 on:** July 26, 2006, 08:43:46 AM »

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Originally posted by rv6
Okee dokee, if I hear you guys (and gal) correctly, (and the list above is in my humble opinion, some of the more knowlegeable sticks in this game)..

Stick stirring is not really an online game-flaw trick? It's just a perception of an online game-flaw trick, that really don't exist, but is whined about?

(Gezuz,, that even sounds confusing to me, and I wrote it!)

Appreciate your opinions.

RV6

Next time you see me on RV, give me a shout! My ingame name is SmashR!

rv6 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 26, 2006, 10:38:07 AM »

Absolutely will SkyRock.. Thanks.

(can I try a stick-whirly-twirly thing in your presence?)

RV6

Oldman731 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 26, 2006, 11:27:48 AM »

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Originally posted by rv6
Stick stirring is not really an online game-flaw trick? It's just a perception of an online game-flaw trick, that really don't exist, but is whined about?

It used to be a flaw in the FW model. HTC fixed it some years ago. People now repeat the phrase, not knowing that the flaw has been fixed, and that what they are seeing is a rapid change of planes by an aircraft that rolls well.

- oldman (or possibly they are just making fun of the technique)

SunKing · « **Reply #11 on:** July 26, 2006, 11:34:05 AM »

I think its some kind of lag. They are rolling around so fast your FE can't keep up so it doesn't look smooth.

MajWoody · « **Reply #12 on:** July 26, 2006, 11:39:53 AM »

I have stalled badly a few times & was recently accused of stick stirring as a result of the stall. I didn't stir in any way shape or form. The times that I have moved my stick in a stiring fashion just to see what happened I got the same message that RV6 was talking about & controls froze.

I believe shane posted a couple of films one time of snap rolls that looked like stirring. The smoothing code or fm just couldn't render the move as it actually happened.

Krusty · « **Reply #13 on:** July 26, 2006, 11:41:07 AM »

Stick stirring is making your plane pivot around its center graphically, but making it follow its same path of flight. This is done by exploiting the way the game code predicts/smooths the flight model on other peoples' front ends. It is cheap, lame, and very obvious when it happens. You will literally see the nose of the plane spin around left, right, in 180 arcs up and down but the "motion" of the plan will be along a level path.

The problem is that people expect a jink, a break, etc, so they adjust their aim, then the second they do the stick stirrer is pointing another direction now.

FYI Stirring has been reduced a lot in the latest smoothing code updates. I've not seen *many* cases of it since then.

EDIT: This is different from the "flop" which is associated with snap rolls or wing dips etc, but sometimes when a pilot really forces manuvers hard enough it results in a similar stick stirring phenomenon.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #14 on:** July 26, 2006, 04:33:55 PM »

I've seen this useless tactic alot.
Think I mentioned this in another thread lately.

Its a uselss tactic. And I usually laugh when I see it
I wish all my targeets used this tactic instead of regular ACMS
I'd easily quadruple my kills