Score maps: rankings don´t make sense...

[sparow]

Hi all,

Excuse me for asking this but I never really understood how scoring and ranking work in AH and AVA...

I belong to a squadron of 13, and currently, only two members have activity recorded in tha current AVA ToD. So far so good. Results are not bad. A little over 10 hours logged alltogether. Well, RL...

But I find smaller, with less time spent and worse results alltogether in much higher position on the Squad rankings. It makes no sense to me...

Could anyone explain me what are we doing wrong?

Thank you in advance,

Sparow
249 Squadron RAF "Gold Coast"

[KONG1]

Originally posted by sparow
Could anyone explain me what are we doing wrong?

Caring about score.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by KONG1
Caring about score.

Another chance to help a new face stay positive about the AvA is squandered, and a turdball thrown instead. WTG:lol

[KONG1]

Shifty,
Why try to paint good advice with a word like turdball.

Ignore him sparow, he’s clueless. What he calls turds are actually roses. Besides ignoring score/rank, don’t let getting shot down bother you, laugh at the channel 200 stuff, don’t worry about what other people do, let improvement be its own reward, call your mom at least once a week, and eat plenty of fiber.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by KONG1
Shifty,
Why try to paint good advice with a word like turdball.

Ignore him sparow, he’s clueless. What he calls turds are actually roses. Besides ignoring score/rank, don’t let getting shot down bother you, laugh at the channel 200 stuff, don’t worry about what other people do, let improvement be its own reward, call your mom at least once a week, and eat plenty of fiber.

Sparow don't forget to treat everyone like crap, while being a self important SOB.

Better yet Sparow seek your answers from the AVA staff. Oldman , 1Duke1, Panzzer, MrFork, or Slash27, just to name a few. They've been around the AVA for years and they'll always give you a straight answer.

[Grits]

Originally posted by sparow
Could anyone explain me what are we doing wrong?

Sparow, after a quick look at your score page, the one thing I see is you dont have any score in the air-to-air section of the "Attack" ranking, and you dont have any score at all in the GV section. The most important thing about the way the rank/score system works is you need to score in every area, even a poor mark in a certain section is far better than nothing.

[KONG1]

Originally posted by Shifty
...treat everyone like crap, while being a self important SOB

That your idea of good advice…and what exactly is behind your preoccupation with feces?

[Shifty]

Originally posted by KONG1
That your idea of good advice…and what exactly is behind your preoccupation with feces?

When dealing with you it just comes to mind for some reason.

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by sparow
Could anyone explain me what are we doing wrong?

I can't, because I've never understood the point and ranking system either.  I paste below what I THINK is the appropriate section of the help pages.

- oldman

Scoring in Aces High

Scores in Aces High II are logged in tours, with a new tour beginning on the first day of the month, or the Monday following the first.  When a tour is rolled over, all scores are reset and the Main Arena terrain is changed.  Perk points are not reset with a new tour.  

Scoring is broken down into five mission types:

Fighter
Bomber
Attack
Vehicle / Boat
Field Gunner

The attack mission type is somewhat different than the other types because many planes can fit into that category in addition to their main role.  For those planes that have a secondary attack role, you'll be able to designate how you want your sortie scored prior to launching.  So if you're loading up your fighter for some air-to-ground work, you'll probably want your sortie scored as an attack sortie rather than a fighter sortie and you'll be able to select between the two in the hangar.

The field gunner mission type is how your sortie is scored should you choose to man a gun on a fleet.  This type is not ranked nor included in the overall rank calculations.

Each player has a fighter rank, bomber rank, attack rank and vehicle/boat rank that is determined from each of ten categories described below.  Overall rank is calculated by adding up the ranks from the four mission types, and the player with the smallest sum is #1, next smallest #2, etc.

We have ten base categories that are scored at the end of each sortie depending upon your mission type.  Only air categories are scored for fighter mission types, ground categories only for bomber mission types, and both air and ground are scored for attack, vehicle, boat and field gunner mission types.
 

 Air Categories
Kills per Death
Kills per Sortie
Kills per Time
Hit percentage
Air points
 Ground Categories
Damage per Death
Damage per Sortie
Bombing percentage
Ground points
Field captures
 
Formulas

Air Categories
Kills per Death = TotalKills / ((Discos * 0.5) + Bails + Captures + Deaths + 1)

Kills per Sortie = TotalKills / TotalTourSorties
Kills per Time = TotalKills / TotalTourSortieTime
Hit percentage = TotalTourBullet**** / TotalTourBulletsUsed
Air points = PlaneDamageScore + KillScore
Ground Categories
Damage per Death = TotalDamage / ((Discos * 0.5) + Bails + Captures + Deaths + 1)
Damage per Sortie = TotalDamage / TotalTourSorties
Bombing percentage =
(TotalTourBomb**** + TotalTourRocket**** + TotalTourTorpedo****) /
(TotalTourBombsUsed + TotalTourRocketsUsed + TotalTourTorpedosUsed)
Ground points =
(DamagePointsScoredOnObjectsTh isSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourDamagePointsScoredOn Objects +
(DestroyedPointsScoredOnObject sThisSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourDestroyedPointsScore dOnObjects
Field captures = FieldCapturesThisSortie + TotalTourFieldCaptures
 
TotalKills are just air-to-air kills for fighter missions, air-to-air + air-to-ground kills for all other mission types.
 
PlaneDamageScore =
(DamagePointsScoredOnEnemiesTh isSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourPlaneDamageScoredOnE nemies
 
KillScore =
((AirKillsThisSortie * 1.0) + (AirAssistsThisSortie * 0.25) +
(GroundKillsThisSortie * 1.0) + (GroundAssistsThisSortie * 0.25) * DeathMult) +
TotalTourKillScore
 
TotalDamage =
(DamagePointsScoredOnObjectsTh isSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourDamagePointsScoredOn Objects +
(DestroyedPointsScoredOnObject sThisSortie * DeathMult) +
TotalTourDestroyedPointsScore dOnObjects
 
Death Multipliers
 

 Landed
Discoed
Bailed
Ditched
Captured
Killed
Crashed
 1.0
0.25
0.5
0.75
0.4
0.25
0.25

[KONG1]

Originally posted by Shifty
When dealing with you it just comes to mind for some reason.

comes to mind does it...hmmm...s*** for brains? That explains a lot.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by KONG1
comes to mind does it...hmmm...s*** for brains? That explains a lot.

 Dang,,,, good one! I was hoping to use that line later in the thread! See now your doing it too. Wierd how that works.

[Slash27]

What the hell did Oldman say?


Sparow, my advice is just to shoot more people down.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by Slash27
What the hell did Oldman say?


Sparow, my advice is just to shoot more people down.

Dunno ,,, but it's more fun to read Kong's barbs then it is to read OM's help.

[Yeager]

do a little bit of everything.......

fighters

attack

bombers

ships/vehicles.....make sure to get some kills in bombers and vehicles too.

Capture a few V bases if you can arrange that.  

It really takes little time and effort to get into the top 30 (since thats about the total number of nerds that play in the AvA with any frequency, myself included)

[sparow]

Hi all, sorry for just answering now.

Thank you all for your input, especially Grits, Slash, Oldman and Yeager. Thank you to everyone else for their input too.

I already suspected that, in order to reach a better squad ranking overall we should not forget to score in every section of AH. But what does not make much sense to me are, just to give two or three examples, some situations where there is no scoring in some areas and still, the overall ranking is higher than ours…Efficiency comes into play here?
Take these examples:  

What surprises me is that squad B gets a jolly 14th place without scoring in the Bomber category in 9 “surgical” sorties totalling 1:23:10 flying time…In suicidal runs, as it seems, so, landing kills is not that important, really…

But the 1st prize for true efficiency goes to squad D that manages to get a comfortable 25th place in little over 20 minutes! What a show! Five sorties, kamikaze style, no score whatsoever in Bomber, Attack or Vehicle Boat sections, in, bang, bang, out, boom, cya next month, was nice, must do this again, sorry love, got to go, and 25th place overall…

Gentlemen, the secret is to stay online as little as you can, take 4 kills, don’t bother land them and play offline with yourself for the whole month afterwards…

Just my two cents…I just feel that this scoring system is not properly designed. It does not favours the skill to land a smoking, half-winged, bullet-riddled, F6F on a carrier deck…See my point?

Thank you all for your kind patience.

Sparrow
249 Squadron RAF “Gold Coast”