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« on: July 29, 2006, 10:35:49 PM »
What's up with this?

There's this salesman that comes around every few days to pick up new work, shoot the **** etc. He's an okay guy and all, and funny as hell. He turns the lamest stories into the funniest frickin' thing that you've ever heard in your whole life.

The problem is..... is that he inches up and the next thing ya know, he's like right in your face. A foot away. Twelve inches or so. That seems to be his comfort zone. That's the distance he needs to truly operate from.

So what do ya do? I nod politely, and casually take a step back.... but.. BAM! He's right back in your face. I step back, he inches forward.

This aint a gay thing I don't think. This guy is all married up and I've seen lots of people who do this who are far from teh ghey. It's just a behavioral thing..... or someone who has no sense of boundaries. Or something.

Do these kinds of people annoy the hell out of you like they do me? Or, have you even had any experience with this kind of person?

On Friday morning I told him: "Hey man, back the **** up - yer freakin' me out."

It didn't even phase him. He kinda laughed, I stepped back, and he continued to tell his story, and the next thing ya know he was right back in my face like nothin' happened.

Anyways... Somebody here must have run into the same kinda thing.

Or.... what other traits do you find annoying about a person? There's gotta be something.....

It's Saturday night, we're stuck with each other, the BBS is lame right now.... so what the hell?

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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2006, 10:37:32 PM »
Some cultures do not recognize a "personal space". What's his nationality?

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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2006, 10:39:36 PM »
That would drive me crazy, I couldnt stand anyone within 12 inches of me
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2006, 10:40:01 PM »
Next time, you should plant a big wet kiss on him. That should solve it.:eek:

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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2006, 10:40:52 PM »
If I had to guess, he would be from the heart of Trenton, New Jersey. White guy, probably some Italian in there somewhere.

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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2006, 10:43:27 PM »
Actually, he being a salesman, this isn't surprising.  It's a way of being ontop of a situation, so to speak.  He knows he has the upper hand when he gets into the personal space of other people.  Kind of like a power trip if you know what I mean.  Typical.  I hate salesmen like that.  Worked with plenty of them in a dealership.  That technique worked damn good too with people who were weak minded.
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2006, 10:44:36 PM »
If he or his parents are from Italy that might explain it.

http://www.lifeinitaly.com/potpourri/business2.asp

"Good manners and courtesy are essential in Italy; above all, considerateness is highly rated. Plan on shaking hands upon arriving and departing. As your relationship grows, embraces are not uncommon and signify a level of intimacy. Personal space is at a premium when people interact in Italy. Large hand gestures, freely flowing emotions and close personal contact are often present in Italian conversations. Avoid moving away or keeping your distance as this can be perceived as unfriendly. Italians are often guided by their emotions, establishing a business relationship based on trust is vital for a successful business negotiation."

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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2006, 10:53:21 PM »
Whenever this guy comes by set the stage so you have a physical barrier between you a counter, desk or drafting table anything to define space. You've already given the guy notice to stand back from you. He hasn't complied so use the ergonomics of your workplace to force him to stay away. If he comes around the barrier than don't feel bashfull about gently pushing him back and telling him again to stand back.

Stand edge on to him with your strong hand side away from him. It's a fairly obvious body language cue that you are not comfortable and are taking a defensive posture. If that also doesn't get it done reduce all the contact with him you can. If it is not absolutely necessary that you deal with him simply tell him to leave. You have been nice about it get firm and make it stick.

His sense of humor may be nice but not if it comes at a price.
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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2006, 10:54:51 PM »
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Actually, he being a salesman, this isn't surprising.  It's a way of being ontop of a situation, so to speak.  He knows he has the upper hand when he gets into the personal space of other people.  Kind of like a power trip if you know what I mean.  Typical.  I hate salesmen like that.  Worked with plenty of them in a dealership.  That technique worked damn good too with people who were weak minded.


Yep

I've run into a few salesmen like that.

I think the idea is to make themselves so annoyingly distracting that you can't really pay attention to anyone or anything but them.  a captive audience ploy.

They can sell you on something and just start on the pitch, pointing out all the pluses while detracting you from noticing any minus’s on your own.

I guess some don't know how to shut it off when they aren't working.

He doesn't sell timeshares does he?

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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2006, 10:58:53 PM »
Offer him a breath mint. Maybe that'll back him up. ;)

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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2006, 11:19:14 PM »
Do the opposite, consume excessive amounts of garlic... my missus uses that trick.

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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2006, 11:23:43 PM »
Jesus Nash, you're such a Canadian.


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What's up with this?

There's this salesman that comes around every few days to pick up new work, shoot the **** etc. He's an okay guy and all, and funny as hell.


No, he's not an "okay guy".  He's a bully and an ******* and should be treated as such.


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The problem is..... is that he inches up and the next thing ya know, he's like right in your face. A foot away. Twelve inches or so. That seems to be his comfort zone. That's the distance he needs to truly operate from.


Bugs the heck out me, so do people that come up on the street and start talking at me.  They inflict themselves on me because they are self-centered and don't give a **** if I want to be party to it.


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So what do ya do? I nod politely, and casually take a step back.... but.. BAM! He's right back in your face. I step back, he inches forward.


You don't nod politely and casually take a step back.  You look him right in the eye and tell him he is crossing the boundary.  For example with talk inflicters I interupt and say, "Excuse me, I don't want to have this conversation.".  They usually look put out, but **** 'em they where putting me out with any due consideration.


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or someone who has no sense of boundaries. Or something.


If he has no sense of boundaries, it's because people are "polite" and don't tell him when he is crossing them.  Mores the pity.


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On Friday morning I told him: "Hey man, back the **** up - yer freakin' me out."

It didn't even phase him. He kinda laughed, I stepped back, and he continued to tell his story, and the next thing ya know he was right back in my face like nothin' happened.


So even if he had no sense of boundaries he mocked your discomfortature, and proceded to continue his behaviour (instead of apologising and adapting his behaviour.  He's ****ing with you Nash.  

You've used rational discourse to try and influence him (informing him his behaviour that you find discomforting and requested he stop...although somewhat colloquially).  The next step is to attempt to influence him through threat of sanction.  "I've asked you once to stop getting in my face and you have ignored me, apparently you don't give a crap about how it bugs me.  If you don't stop getting in my face I'll have to....".  I'll leave what the sanction is up to you.  I don't know your full relationship with this dork, maybe simple self-exclusion will work.  Maybe you have to work with this guy.  Maybe you can influence his sales if he is selling product to your company.  Request and different rep, who knows.

Or you can be "polite" to this guy who is acting like a jerk and apparently doesn't give a **** that it bugs you.  However, I have found that most people being "polite" really aren't, but are instead are ascared of standing up for themselves.
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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2006, 11:29:12 PM »
The garlic is a good idea. I was going to suggest eating a large bowl of chili, a few boiled eggs and a 6 pack or so of beer. When he violates your "comfort zone" let loose a homemade WMD (Wind of Mass Destruction). Trust me, he WILL back the f up.
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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2006, 11:57:13 PM »
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If I had to guess, he would be from the heart of Trenton, New Jersey. White guy, probably some Italian in there somewhere.


Well that would explain it
Be careful. They even been shooting the crossing guards in Trenton these days.

What you gotta do is get right back in his face.
But keep looking him right in the eye. But keep a deadly serious
Staring people right in the eyes freaks most people out reguardless of distance.

I subconciously do it and haveto try to remember not to.
I never noticed it untill my wife pointed it out to me.
she tells me I have this super intence stare and
She says "You look at people as though you are going to kill them."

Needless tosay I usually dont have a problem with people getting in my face LOL
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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2006, 12:25:46 AM »
Ha - that's interesting Drediock. More on that in a sec....

But first - lets not get carried away folks.... It's an annoying personal trait that many people share - not anything that keeps me up at night. I aint intimidated or frightened - it's just a weird sort of pain in the arse.

Totally interesting, though, that this thing seems to be common with sales guys. It didn't even occur to me that this was some kind of technique. It's also interesting that this is a cultural thing as well. I'm gonna find out what the deal is with that on Monday and report back to y'all.

Back to your thing, Dred, I remember reading this article that someone did on Clinton. The journalist spent 45 minutes interviewing him, and was completely blown away by the fact that from the initial handshake to the exit handshake, Clinton didn't break eye contact a single time.

45 minutes straight eye contact. He said Clinton was perfectly lucid, answering every question down to the most miniscule detail....

....yet his eyes were like lasers pointed at the guy.

He tells of watching Clinton drinking from a glass of water, and Clinton's eyes were still looking at him through the bottom of the glass as he drank.

I don't even know what to make of that.
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