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« Reply #210 on: August 06, 2006, 08:27:12 PM »
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Sure,christians much better.Can you even count how many wars christians started?


Bogus reply.

Show me the "Christians" that are currently over there right now saying they are going to destroy another nation.

Past is the past, and the Christians for sure have a past, but they are not the ones waging war on innocents and saying God says it's right.  Thats the terroristic stunninghunks supported by a majority of the whacked out arabic world.

Get your facts straight kiddo, because those same arabic terrorists want to kill you and me just as much as the entire nation on Israel.  :mad:
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« Reply #211 on: August 06, 2006, 08:38:27 PM »
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Bogus reply.

Show me the "Christians" that are currently over there right now saying they are going to destroy another nation.

Past is the past, and the Christians for sure have a past, but they are not the ones waging war on innocents and saying God says it's right.  Thats the terroristic stunninghunks supported by a majority of the whacked out arabic world.

Get your facts straight kiddo, because those same arabic terrorists want to kill you and me just as much as the entire nation on Israel.  :mad:

Good point sir.How old are you anyway,if you dont mind my asking?
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« Reply #212 on: August 06, 2006, 09:00:27 PM »
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Thats true,i did not mean to offend you.
My apologies


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« Reply #213 on: August 06, 2006, 09:15:13 PM »
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Good point sir.How old are you anyway,if you dont mind my asking?


Old enough to know better than to use a rediculous argument like "they did it too"
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« Reply #214 on: August 06, 2006, 11:15:20 PM »
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Here's an honest question.

After 9/11, we determined that the Taliban government of Afghanistan was harboring the terriorists responsible, Al Qaeda. We decided to remove that government and most of the world supported us in doing so, some militarily.

Shift to Lebanon.

The government of Lebanon has members of a universally decried terrorist organization, Hezbollah, in the Parliament. Hezbollah has ~ 14 of 128 seats in the Lebanese Parliament.

The government of Lebanon can certainly be said to be harboring terrorists and it has done nothing to prevent Hezbollah from attacking Israel from Lebanese territory.

Why then is the world not supporting Israel like it mostly supported the US operation to remove Afghanistan's Taliban government?

Follow up questions. If Israel announced it was invading Lebanon with the intention of removing the government and replacing it with one that did not harbor terrorists (as in US v Taliban) would they get support? If not, why not?
Because it's a Jewish state, and is held to a higher standard than the rest of the world.
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« Reply #215 on: August 06, 2006, 11:22:50 PM »
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Old enough to know better than to use a rediculous argument like "they did it too"

Evidently you are not old enough for your mind is one way oriented.
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« Reply #216 on: August 06, 2006, 11:30:08 PM »
It sure is... one way pointed towards the truth and belief that the Israeli's and the entire West are in this for the survival of our beliefs and very lives.  You go on believing what you choose and making those awesome arguments.... it sure makes you look super savvy.  :lol
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« Reply #217 on: August 07, 2006, 12:14:48 AM »
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It sure is... one way pointed towards the truth and belief that the Israeli's and the entire West are in this for the survival of our beliefs and very lives.  You go on believing what you choose and making those awesome arguments.... it sure makes you look super savvy.  :lol

And what are your believes?Freedom?They never attacked other democratic countries,why?
And the fact that Israel has direct influence on US not the other way around doesn't bother you?
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« Reply #218 on: August 07, 2006, 07:01:35 AM »
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To answer your final question, if there hadn't been a WWII, the Jews wouldn't need an Israel.


FYI sionism started before WWII (about 1880 )

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« Reply #219 on: August 07, 2006, 10:59:48 AM »
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And what are your believes?Freedom?They never attacked other democratic countries,why?
And the fact that Israel has direct influence on US not the other way around doesn't bother you?


Please do not be so naive....  

July 19, 1982: The president of the American University in Beirut, Davis S. Dodge, is kidnapped. Hezbollah is believed to be behind this and most of the other 30 Westerners kidnapped over the next ten years.

April 18, 1983: Hezbollah attacks the U.S. embassy in Beirut with a car bomb, killing 63 people, 17 of whom were American citizens.

Oct. 23, 1983: The group attacks U.S. Marine barracks with a truck bomb, killing 241 American military personnel stationed in Beirut as part of a peace-keeping force. A separate attack against the French military compound in Beirut kills 58.

Sept. 20, 1984: The group attacks the U.S. embassy annex in Beirut with a car bomb, killing 2 Americans and 22 others.

March 16, 1984: William F. Buckley, a CIA operative working at the U.S. embassy in Beirut, is kidnapped and later murdered.

April 12, 1984: Hezbollah attacks a restaurant near the U.S. Air Force Base in Torrejon, Spain. The bombing kills eighteen U.S. servicemen and injures 83 people.

Dec. 4, 1984: Hezbollah terrorists hijack a Kuwait Airlines plane. Four passengers are murdered, including two Americans.

Feb. 16, 1985: Hezbollah publicizes its manifesto. It notes that the group's struggle will continue until Israel is destroyed and rejects any cease-fire or peace treaty with Israel. The document also attacks the U.S. and France.

June 14, 1985: Hezbollah terrorists hijack TWA flight 847. The hijackers severely beat Passenger Robert Stethem, a U.S. Navy diver, before killing him and dumping his body onto the tarmac at the Beirut airport. Other passengers are held as hostages before being released on June 30.

Dec. 31, 1986: Under the alias Organization of the Oppressed on Earth, Hezbollah announces it had kidnapped and murdered three Lebanese Jews. The organization previously had taken responsibility for killing four other Jews since 1984.

Feb. 17, 1988: The group kidnaps Col. William Higgins, a U.S. Marine serving with a United Nations truce monitoring group in Lebanon, and later murders him.

Oct. 22, 1989: Members of the dissolved Lebanese parliament ratify the Taif Agreement. Although the agreement calls for the "disbanding of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias," Hezbollah remains active.

Feb. 16, 1992: Sayyad Hassan Nasrallah takes over Hezbollah after Israel kills the group’s leader, Abbas Musawi.

March 17, 1992: With the help of Iranian intelligence, Hezbollah bombs the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires, killing 29 and injuring over 200.

July 18, 1994: Hezbollah bombs the Jewish community center in Buenos Aires–again with Iranian help–killing 86 and injuring over 200.

Nov. 28, 1995: Hezbollah bombards towns in northern Israel with volleys of Katyusha rockets in one of the group's numerous attacks on Israeli civilians.

March 30, 1996: Hezbollah fires 28 Katyusha rockets into northern Israeli towns. A week later, the group fires 16 rockets, injuring 36 Israelis. Israel responds with a major offensive, known as the "Grapes of Wrath" operation, to stop Hezbollah rocket fire.

Aug. 19, 1997: Hezbollah opens fire on northern Israel with dozens of rockets in one of the group's numerous attacks on Israeli civilians.

October 1997: The United States lists Hezbollah as a terrorist organization.

Dec. 28, 1998: Hezbollah opens fire on northern Israel with dozens of rockets in one of the group's numerous attacks on Israeli civilians.

May 17, 1999: Hezbollah opens fire on northern Israel with dozens of rockets in one of the group's numerous attacks on Israeli civilians.

June 24, 1999: Hezbollah opens fire on northern Israel, killing 2.

May 23, 2000: Israel withdraws all troops from Lebanon after 18 years patrolling the "security zone," a strip of land in the south of the country. The security zone was set up to prevent attacks on northern Israel.

June 2000: United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan certifies Israel’s withdrawal from Lebanon. Shortly thereafter, the U.N. Security Council endorses Annan’s report. Hezbollah nonetheless alleges Israel occupies Lebanon, claiming the small Shebba Farms area Israel captured from Syria during the 1967 war as Lebanese territory.

Oct. 7, 2000: Hezbollah attacks an Israel military post and raids Israel, kidnapping three Israeli soldiers. The soldiers are later assumed dead. In mid-October, Hezbollah leader Nasrallah announces the group has also kidnapped an Israeli businessman. In 2004, Israel frees over 400 Arab prisoners in exchange for the business man and the bodies of the three soldiers.

March 1, 2001: The British government adds Hezbollah’s "military wing" to its list of outlawed terrorist organizations.

April 9, 2002: Hezbollah launches Katyushas into northern Israeli town. This assault comes amidst almost daily Hezbollah attacks against Israeli troops in Shebba farms.

Dec. 11, 2002: Canada lists Hezbollah as a terrorist organization.

Aug. 10, 2003: Hezbollah shells kills 16-year-old Israeli boy, wound others.

June 5, 2003: Australia lists Hezbollah’s "military wing" as a terrorist organization.

Sept. 2, 2004: United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559 calls for "the disbanding and disarmament of all Lebanese and non-Lebanese militias," a reference to Hezbollah.

December 2004: Both the United States and France ban Hezbollah’s satellite television network, Al Manar. A U.S. State Department spokesman notes the channel "preaches violence and hatred."

March 10, 2005: The European Parliament overwhelmingly passes a resolution stating: "Parliament considers that clear evidence exists of terrorist activities by Hezbollah. The (EU) Council should take all necessary steps to curtail them." The European Union nonetheless refrains from placing the group on its list of terror organizations.

July 12, 2006: Hezbollah attacks Israel with Katyushas, crosses the border and kidnaps two Israeli soldiers. Three Israeli soldiers are killed in the initial attack. Five more soldiers are killed as Israel launches operation to rescue the soldiers and push Hezbollah from its border. Hezbollah launches rockets into towns across northern Israel.

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« Reply #220 on: August 07, 2006, 12:29:26 PM »
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FYI sionism started before WWII (about 1880 )



My point was that it wasn't until AFTER the holocaust that the nation of Israel became a necessity for the Jews. Whether it existed or not as a social agenda prior to that is irrelevant. The actions of the Germans should have been the last straw, and Israel was exactly the thing that would ensure that the Jews would never find themselves alone and naked against industrial oppression again.

I think it's interesting, like clockwork almost. Every time an adament statement is made in favor of the Jewish state, one of several people on this board begins to spout off--saying anything, anything at all, to discredit the concept.

And the scary fact is, it's not the gas chambers and firing squads that the Jews should fear, rather, it's the suspicion, the silent contempt and the unspoken hatred, the kind that's taught and spread at millions of dinner tables, nightly, that spawns Hitlers and Stalins. Of course, none of them are anti-semetic. They are merely spreading the belief that a Jewish nationality is inherently dangerous.

They said Never Again. I say that nothing has changed.

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« Reply #221 on: August 07, 2006, 12:35:35 PM »
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My point was that it wasn't until AFTER the holocaust that the nation of Israel became a necessity for the Jews.  


It's not what you posted.

 
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I think it's interesting, like clockwork almost. Every time an adament statement is made in favor of the Jewish state, one of several people on this board begins to spout off--saying anything, anything at all, to discredit the concept.  [/B]

Sorry ?

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« Reply #222 on: August 07, 2006, 12:40:36 PM »
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That's true


The concept of mutually assured destruction is what keeps a society polite, both at the individual and nation level. It also means swift and harsh action may be needed against those who would stir the pot. Some may call this a "cowboy" mentality. Fine by me. ;)

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« Reply #223 on: August 07, 2006, 02:28:15 PM »
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It's not what you posted.

 
Sorry ?


I posted that if it were not for WWII, the Jews would not Israel. Whether or not there were plans to make Israel before WWII does not enter into my statement. WWII was the last straw, after which, it was clear, as it should have been long, long before, that a Jewish state was necessary for the long term survival of the Jewish ethnicity.

As for your 'Sorry?', I don't think I said anything that confusing. You reacted to a very general statement from me by citing historical data that had nothing to do with the theme original statement.  Some people on this board have used the term 'straw man' to describe this. I just call it silly.
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« Reply #224 on: August 07, 2006, 02:43:30 PM »
Here I disagree , the jew needed a homeland with or without the Shoa.

Like any people on this planet.