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« Reply #180 on: August 06, 2006, 12:43:18 AM »
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I dont believe Stalin or Hitler followed any of those and thats just a sample of what Christ taught.

None of us followes what Christ  tought us sir(according to Bible),thats what should bother us most,but it doesnt.
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« Reply #181 on: August 06, 2006, 12:46:50 AM »
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KgB,

How's this for a definition:

One of the terrorists whose release was demanded by the kidnappers of the two Israeli soldiers a month ago is the very embodiment of the term "terrorist."

He and some fellow terrorists slipped into a Jewish settlement at Nahariyah and kidnapped a father and his 8 year old son.  The wife of the victim hid in the attic of their home, hand tightly clamped over the mouth of her one year old baby.

The father and his son were taken to a nearby beach on the Mediterranean and summarily executed, without mercy.  Some time later, the mother, concluding that the terrorists had finally left, finally got up to go to call for help, only to discover that she had accidentally smothered her baby.

Hope you're not going to use the old "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" argument.

Sir please,i can find tons of unproven stories like these.

The air strike on Libya
On April 15, 1986 US war planes bombed the Libyan cities of Tripoli and Benghazi. They destroyed the home of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi and killed at least 30 civilians, including many children. Gaddafi himself, the main target of the air strike, was not hurt.

Two hours later President Ronald Reagan justified the unprecedented attack on a sovereign country and its head of state in a national television address. The US, Reagan claimed, had "direct, precise and irrefutable" proof that Libya was responsible for a bomb blast in a West Berlin discotheque. The explosion 10 days earlier at the disco La Belle, a favorite nightspot for US soldiers, had killed three people and injured 200.

Since November of 1997 five defendants have been on trial in a Berlin court for their alleged involvement in the La Belle attack. But in the course of more than half a year the case has proceeded very slowly. ZDF television, which carried out its own investigation into the case, explained why in the August 25 documentary produced by its political magazine Frontal.

 

What the German documentary reveals
The Frontal report arrives at the following conclusions:

1) The lead defendant presently on trial, Yasser Chraidi, is very possibly innocent, and is being used as a scapegoat by German and American intelligence services.

2) At least one of the defendants, Musbah Eter, has been working for the CIA over many years.

3) Some of the key suspects have not appeared in court, because they are being protected by Western intelligence services.

4) At least one of those, Mohammed Amairi, is an agent of Mossad, the Israeli secret service.

The man charged with being the mastermind of the La Belle attack, 38-year-old Yasser Chraidi, was a driver at the Libyan embassy in East Berlin in 1986. He later moved to Lebanon, from whence he was extradited to Germany in May 1996.

Frontal interviewed the two Lebanese responsible for the extradition of Chraidi: the former public prosecutor Mounif Oueidat and his deputy Mrad Azoury. Both confirm that the German authorities used deceit to have Chraidi extradited.

According to Azoury, he received no evidence that Chraidi was actually involved in the attack; there were only "hints." Oueidat states that the Germans showed tremendous interest in getting Chraidi. "The Americans were behind this demand," he says. "This was obvious. They spurred on the Germans to speed up the extradition."

Eventually Chraidi, declared to be a "top terrorist," was flown to Germany in a spectacular security operation. But a Berlin judge found the evidence presented by the prosecution so weak, he threatened to release Chraidi within three weeks unless more proof was presented.

At this point another man was brought into the case, who, according to Frontal, "was obviously supposed to be spared by the prosecution until then." On September 9, 1996, the very day the Berlin judge threatened to release Chraidi, Berlin public prosecutor Detlev Mehlis, Berlin police inspector Uwe Wilhelms and a Mr. Winterstein of the German Federal Intelligence Service (BND) met Musbah Eter in the Mediterranean island state of Malta.
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« Reply #182 on: August 06, 2006, 12:50:33 AM »
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You do know that we worship a half naked bleeding jew nailed to wooden cross dont you?Even smartest nation an a planet(jews) do not accept Christ as son of God.


I dont worship *half naked bleeding jew*. I dont worship a figure on a cross. I worship Christ, the son of God, born of the virgin Mary.

You are correct that many Jews dont accept Christ as the son of God.

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So jews condamned to go to hell for not accepting Christ?


Not just Jews, all people who dont accept Christ.



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You know only Christians have hell?Not jewdaism,budism,islam.


I'm no expert on all the world's religions, if that is true though......what happens to the folks that dont covert to those religions after death?

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It is "believe what i say or you go to hell".


It's not believe what *I* say, it's believe what He says. I think thats a distinction that you are missing. :)

In a previous post you said:

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"Believe what i say or i'll hurt you"


If you truly believe that, then you dont understand what it means to be a Christian.

I know.....some things done by those professing to be Christians have been wrong, things like the Spanish Inquistion for instance. I think even the Catholic Church acknowledges that. Again, even Christians are sinners. That is one of the basic precepts of my faith, that I am in fact a sinner and need the Salvation offered by Christ's sacrifice on the cross.
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« Reply #183 on: August 06, 2006, 12:51:51 AM »
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Originally posted by KgB
Thanks for quick response sir.Well according to your logic you wouldnt mind if previos owners of your house asked you to share with them or should i say just moved in without asking?


*edit* Nevermind my first response. Guess I was kinda dense when I first read your response. :D

Neither the Jews nor the Arabs were satisfied with the way the land was divided up. The Jews just didnt show up the day Israel became a nation, they were already there, and had been moving there for decades prior to Israel being founded.

The Jews also have a long history of living in that area, all the way back to when the land was known as Canaan.
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« Reply #184 on: August 06, 2006, 12:54:55 AM »
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Originally posted by KgB
None of us followes what Christ  tought us sir(according to Bible),thats what should bother us most,but it doesnt.


I am the first to admit, I fail at following what Christ taught as well, all the time. That's where God's forgiveness comes into play. The difference between Hitler and myself for example is that I do try to follow Christ's teachings. Any Christian will try. Hitler and Stalin did not.
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« Reply #185 on: August 06, 2006, 12:58:46 AM »
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Originally posted by KgB
And who told you that sir?


Google up Samir Kuntar.

He admits his complicity in that incident btw.
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« Reply #186 on: August 06, 2006, 12:59:00 AM »
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Calling atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair colour.


My apologies, wasnt trying to imply that atheism is a religion. :)

Rest of your post is very accurate imo. Many, many times throughout history people have called upon their god(s) to help destroy their enemies, or slaughtered their enemies in the name of thier god(s).

I just cant figure out why atheists dont do that too. :D
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« Reply #187 on: August 06, 2006, 01:07:07 AM »
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Originally posted by Elfie
Can you expand on that please? I'm not sure what you are getting at.

Well if you insist sir.Arabs were there,jews came,proclamed Israel.
Terrorism began ever since.
Or i live in a house,somebody tells you to move in without asking me.
I hate you ever since.
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« Reply #188 on: August 06, 2006, 01:10:41 AM »
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Originally posted by Elfie
I dont worship *half naked bleeding jew*. I dont worship a figure on a cross. I worship Christ, the son of God, born of the virgin Mary.

You are correct that many Jews dont accept Christ as the son of God.

 

Not just Jews, all people who dont accept Christ.

So jews are going to hell for not accepting Christ sir,yes or now????:lol
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« Reply #189 on: August 06, 2006, 01:11:37 AM »
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Originally posted by Toad
Google up Samir Kuntar.

He admits his complicity in that incident btw.

Thank you sir,very interesting
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« Reply #190 on: August 06, 2006, 01:18:03 AM »
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Well if you insist sir.Arabs were there,jews came,proclamed Israel.


Who was in the area known as Palestine *first* is subject to debate. It is known and generally accepted that the Roman's conquered Israel and Jew's were living there then.

Even in the Bible on multiple occassions the Jews were conquered and taken into slavery by various civilizations long before the Roman's appeared on the scene.

Yet, every time, the Jews eventually made it back to their homeland.

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Terrorism began ever since.


No arguing that point. :D

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Or i live in a house,somebody tells you to move in without asking me.


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I hate you ever since.


That last part is a choice. You can choose to hate me or.....you can choose a different path, one that isnt filled with hate. One possible choice is:

Luk 6:29 And to him who strikes you on the one cheek, also offer the other. And to him who takes away your garment, do not forbid your tunic also.
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« Reply #191 on: August 06, 2006, 01:24:13 AM »
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Thank you sir,very interesting


Kuntar should have been put down like a rabid dog. I have no idea why the Israelis didn't give him the death sentence and prompt execution.

IMO.
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« Reply #192 on: August 06, 2006, 01:24:35 AM »
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I am the first to admit, I fail at following what Christ taught as well, all the time. That's where God's forgiveness comes into play. The difference between Hitler and myself for example is that I do try to follow Christ's teachings. Any Christian will try. Hitler and Stalin did not.

I don't think we even deserve to be forgiven.
It's like i can get drunk and go 100 mph thru highly populated area keeping in mind that i can go to church and confess,and everything will be forgiven.
Same thing happens next day.
That's what we are,I'm sorry that's what i am.I am sure there are plenty people people like me.Capitalize on car accidents,wet floors,peoples emotions....i do believe it's time for judgment day,don't you?
Only if HE is really up there......i'm beggining to wonder
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« Reply #193 on: August 06, 2006, 01:35:25 AM »
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So jews are going to hell for not accepting Christ sir,yes or now????:lol


Yes. From the book of 1st John. Notice it doesnt say, unless you are a Jew, then you are exempt.

1Jo 5:11  And this is the record, that God has given to us everlasting life, and this life is in His Son.
1Jo 5:12  He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
1Jo 5:13  I have written these things to you who believe on the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have everlasting life, and that you may believe on the name of the Son of God.

That's it for me this evening. I'll check back again tomorrow for responses. :)
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« Reply #194 on: August 06, 2006, 01:43:16 AM »
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I don't think we even deserve to be forgiven.
It's like i can get drunk and go 100 mph thru highly populated area keeping in mind that i can go to church and confess,and everything will be forgiven.
Same thing happens next day.
That's what we are,I'm sorry that's what i am.I am sure there are plenty people people like me.Capitalize on car accidents,wet floors,peoples emotions....i do believe it's time for judgment day,don't you?
Only if HE is really up there......i'm beggining to wonder


One last post this evening. No...I really mean it this time. :D

If I go rob a 7-11 tonight, then ask God's forgiveness, then tomorrow I rob another 7-11......was I truly repentant for the first sin? My answer to that is, no.

I know God exists. I have felt His prescence on more than one occassion. I dont know how to describe what I felt. What I felt left no doubt in my mind that it was Gods prescence.
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