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Jackal1 · « **Reply #90 on:** August 01, 2006, 10:37:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
Im just not so sure that all the Lebanese civilians are harbouring hezbollah, im not even sure that most of them are or that the government has the tools to get them out when and ofcourse IF they want to.

Its just too different ways to see things. For you its (prolly) acceptable with the attacks for the greater good or bigger picture.

For me the sacrifice to the civilian folks and the infrastructure is more than is warranted. I have no problem seeing your point of view, I just dont agree with it, and I think it will be counter productive.

Who knows how it will all turn out.
I agree that not all of them are harboring nor supporting them, but a great deal of them have bit off into a pretty good scam. They enjoyed sopping the gravy and the short term benefits. Now comes the paying for the playing.
I can say one thing. If I were in the middle of a battle zone, with airstrikes, rocket attacks and a ground war going on around my area and I didn`t agree with the cause that was being attacked, I would do the " Get to hell outa Dodge manuever" in short order with me and my family. Drastic times calls for drastic measures.
Sitting back and waiting for terrorist orgs to become more powerfull and more prepared to do further attacks is not my cup of tea. They are not going away. The only way to stop or control them is to go all out and hit them where it hurts. Stop the funding, stop the safe harbors, interupt and destroy supply lines.
If you just sit around with your head in the sand, you are going to pay a much higher price in the end.

Nilsen · « **Reply #91 on:** August 01, 2006, 10:46:46 AM »

Doing nothing will get you nowere.

batdog · « **Reply #92 on:** August 01, 2006, 11:17:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
They are taking out lebanons infrastructure.. to get at someone else.

What is it now...over 700 lebanese civilians killed and much of their economy layes in ruins. Israel tells folks to evacuate while preventing them to do so by bombing the exit roads and starving their fuel supply.

This is simply the sad result of a nation that allows a terrorist army to exist w/in its borders and heavily influence its population w/hate. They have been able to strike at Israel w/little to no fear of serious reprisal due to the fact they did so from w/in a soverign nation. They have the backing of Syria a serious player in wanting to continue the instablity of this region and Iran. The Israelies have done what they need to do... they are destroying the infrastructure of a mini army that is interwoven w/the Lebanese Civilian population on purpose. They (The terrorists) understand that indiv's will wail and the other arab nations will scream bloody murder when an human shield is killed in this conflict...and they (terrorists) do it often and well.

The Israelies are fighting a foe that is on par w/the Nazie dogma / beliefs.
NOTHING the Israelies agree to or concede will EVER be enough until they are all dead or living elsewhere. No peace agreement.... no land ceded...nothing. They wage all out war as a result. It isnt pretty and quess what.... 4million jews being butchered like animals wasnt ethier but the world sit by and let bloody happen.

I dont always agree w/them but by god I understand WHY they do what they do.

PonyDriver · « **Reply #93 on:** August 01, 2006, 01:45:27 PM »

Ok Nils,. you're the Israeli PM... exactly what do you say to the Hizbos in your negotiations?

Nilsen · « **Reply #94 on:** August 01, 2006, 01:51:51 PM »

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Originally posted by PonyDriver
Ok Nils,. you're the Israeli PM... exactly what do you say to the Hizbos in your negotiations?

I belive its your turn... I have answerd all your questions mr.. but you have done nothing but confront my views. I have heard nothing constructive comming out your end.

But hey..

I would give the Lebanese government 30 days to take full control of their area.

If that did not work, I would give them 14 days to evacuate everyone within 30-40km of the border with Israel.

After the 14 days all movement within that 30-40 km belt is a legitemate target.

When the Government in Lebanon alone or with UN help is ready to take control again they are free to move back in.

Hawco · « **Reply #95 on:** August 01, 2006, 01:55:19 PM »

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Originally posted by -tronski-
If military power could solve an insurgency alone the British would've invaded Ireland to combat the IRA or destroyed Dublin's infrastructure...

Tronsky

They did and failed, research a guy called Michael Collins, he took the fight to the British, shame he was killed by his own guys after a dispute in the wording of the peace treaty.
Anyway as far as this topic goes, the biggest cancer in the middle East is Saudi Arabia.

Elfie · « **Reply #96 on:** August 01, 2006, 02:46:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
Well.. there are about 100.000 that has not left the areas for some reason. Some have chosen to stay in their homes, but many of them are actually elders and disabled folks stuck in vilages and towns.

The UN relief coordinator Jan Egeland came home from Lebanon today and was interviewed on the news. He said there is an humanitarian disaster about to unfold and they are only allowed to send in 10 UN marked trucks a couple of times a day with medicine and food, but that is just scratching the surface. There are whole vilages that are cut off in the Bekar? valley... they cant go anywere. There are reports of bodys in the streets that has been there for over a week.

100,000 is alot of folks left behind. I have to admit I hadnt thought of the elderly and infirm when I made my....Well, they can just walk out statement...heh. For those folks, it would be hard to just walk out if not impossible.

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would give the Lebanese government 30 days to take full control of their area.

If that did not work, I would give them 14 days to evacuate everyone within 30-40km of the border with Israel.

After the 14 days all movement within that 30-40 km belt is a legitemate target.

When the Government in Lebanon alone or with UN help is ready to take control again they are free to move back in.

The IDF did give the Lebanese time to move out, not 2 weeks, but they did give notice and maybe could/should have given more notice to get the elderly and infirm to safety.

Overall, I dont see anything there that I find objectionable, or any reason this couldnt have been the plan. Of course there are always things that influence these types of descions that we arent privy to and most likely will never know.

Good job Nilsen.....now fax this to the Israeli Prime Minister asap please.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #97 on:** August 01, 2006, 02:53:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen

I would give the Lebanese government 30 days to take full control of their area.

If that did not work, I would give them 14 days to evacuate everyone within 30-40km of the border with Israel.

After the 14 days all movement within that 30-40 km belt is a legitemate target.

When the Government in Lebanon alone or with UN help is ready to take control again they are free to move back in.

That`s 44 days to regroup, resupply and reinforce. Not to mention relocating strategic assets elsewhere and plenty of time to do major guerilla strikes on Israel.
That`s not an Israeli PM position..................... .more like a U.N. "let`s talk about it for a year or two" stance.

Why give your enemy a break or in this case a total upper hand?
Might as well just send the Hezzies a detailed map of targets that you plan to hit in 44 days.
I don`t really beleive that there is anyone in the area of the strikes that is unaware of it being a war zone and target zone.

Nilsen · « **Reply #98 on:** August 01, 2006, 02:53:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
Good job Nilsen.....now fax this to the Israeli Prime Minister asap please.

Dont want "them" to trace me.

"They" are everywere.

hang on... someone is at the door...

Krusher · « **Reply #99 on:** August 01, 2006, 03:21:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
100,000 is alot of folks left behind. I have to admit I hadnt thought of the elderly and infirm when I made my....Well, they can just walk out statement...heh. For those folks, it would be hard to just walk out if not impossible.

The IDF did give the Lebanese time to move out, not 2 weeks, but they did give notice and maybe could/should have given more notice to get the elderly and infirm to safety.

Texas evacuated 1.3 million people from south Texas between september 17th and september 22. About 1.8 million fled the hurricane Rita area (tX and LA) in just under a week.

Several thousand tourist (25k+ americans) were evacuated from Beruit by ships and planes in a few days. I wonder how long it would take to evacuate a S. Lebanon if they really tried.

Nilsen · « **Reply #100 on:** August 01, 2006, 03:32:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusher
Texas evacuated 1.3 million people from south Texas between september 17th and september 22. About 1.8 million fled the hurricane Rita area (tX and LA) in just under a week.

Several thousand tourist (25k+ americans) were evacuated from Beruit by ships and planes in a few days. I wonder how long it would take to evacuate a S. Lebanon if they really tried.

How long did it take from the time Israel warned Lebanon to evacuate via official channels after the two soldiers were kidnapped until the bombs started to fall?

I may remember wong, but I belive they started shortly after they were kidnapped. The warnings and leaflets didnt fall until well into the conflict.

Elfie · « **Reply #101 on:** August 01, 2006, 03:36:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
Dont want "them" to trace me.

"They" are everywere.

hang on... someone is at the door...

Krusher · « **Reply #102 on:** August 01, 2006, 03:50:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
I may remember wong,

I believe you remember wight

it was probably hours prior, but the bottom line is they have had 2 weeks now.

Nilsen · « **Reply #103 on:** August 01, 2006, 04:06:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusher
I believe you remember wight

it was probably hours prior, but the bottom line is they have had 2 weeks now.

wight thats what i whought

kamilyun · « **Reply #104 on:** August 01, 2006, 05:06:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Follow up questions. If Israel announced it was invading Lebanon with the intention of removing the government and replacing it with one that did not harbor terrorists (as in US v Taliban) would they get support? If not, why not?

I think that there would be significant resistance to an overthrow of the Lebanses government:

40% of Lebanon's population is Christian.

Lebanon is also home to 2 Universities with close ties to the US: The Lebanese-American University and the American University of Beirut. They receive funding from prominent US figures and enjoy close ties with US universities.

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Lebanon is not so much a democracy as a federation of states. In the south, Hezbollah runs the show. Overthrowing the whole government, I personally think, would be a bad idea.

Wiping Hezbollah off the map would be nice, but there needs to be targeting of the financial institutions and military shipments coming from Iran and Syria...