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Offline Jackal1

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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2006, 07:31:00 PM »
You ever notice that the very same folks who get all wound up, shouting to the roof tops that the U.S. shouldn`t be here, shouldn`t be there, shouldn`t be doing this in this country and that country, shouldn`t interfere with so and so country, not any of the U.S. business what so and so country does, ......what gives the U.S. the right to(insertwhine of choice)............................. .............
are the ones who start screaming like a pig under a gate when we don`t immediately jump into another country`s conflict?
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« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2006, 09:14:41 PM »
The last 60 years history in the middle east is like an episode of Cops . . .

Perp (Arabs) do something wrong (terrorism or outright attack) so the Cops (IDF) go after them.  Cops go chasing the perps.  Chase ends.  Perp starts fighting the cops.  Cops defend themselves and end up beating perp to a bloody pulp.

While putting said bloody pulp in squadcar (think Israeli prisons and all the terrorists there) out come the "peeps" from the "hood" (next generation Arabs) come out screaming at Cops "why you always pickin' on us?  Let him out of your car!"  Cops say "No, he's a criminal, he's going to jail."  Some idgit takes a swing at a Cop, and now that guy is getting beat up and arrested too.  As new perp is fighting the Cop, going for their guns, biting their arms, kicking etc. he is screaming at the top of his lungs "I am NOT resisting arrest!"

Which leads to more "peeps" coming out, "why you pickin on our brother?"

Meanwhile, some nosey reporter in a traffic helecopter (CNN) decides only to air the footage of the Cops arresting the perps, with commentary like "looks like the Cops are using excessive force, here" without any mention of the fact that the perps, after all, started it.

Enter the dang ACLU lawyers (UN) threatening the Cops with lawsuits (sanctions) for having the audacity to actually arrest a perp.  After all, everyone knows the Cops go out and arrest indescriminately . . .


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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2006, 09:19:51 PM »
I guess removing the Taliban was easier to sell, the west could see there was no democracy, no civil rights, big opium supplier, even before AQ and 9/11. Lebanon is at least, some kind of democracy. If Israel invaded to remove the government, what would they have to do to stop Hezbollah or a Hezbollah clone being voted in again?

Every western nation supports Israel. No-one denies them the right to exist or defend themselves, only difference is that some give them free reign and others expect some self restraint.

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« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2006, 09:32:47 PM »
Well, it looks like Hezbollah has influence greater than it's standing in Parliament would indicate.

They only hold ~10% of the seats and yet all Lebanon bows before them.

They aren't running the country because of 14 seats in Parliament. They're running the country because they'll apparently kill as necessary to further their goals.

Remove them and maybe a normal government might be possible.

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« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2006, 09:36:09 PM »
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Maybe it's the lack of history that the U.S. had against Afghanistan. We clearly had nothing against them. In fact, IIRC we even supported the Taliban at one time. The same cannot be said for Israel and its neighbors. It seems that Israel is always at war.


THis would drive any sane mind into believing it is Anti-Semitism at work, not just hatred of war.
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« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2006, 10:17:05 PM »
The only criticism of the conflict I've seen in the news from the Lebanese government (the PM I think)  was about the criminal Isrealis. Nope there is no chance of any scism between the Lebonese govt. and hezbollah. Hezbollah owns them.
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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2006, 11:37:07 PM »
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THis would drive any sane mind into believing it is Anti-Semitism at work, not just hatred of war.


Exactly. The actions of Israel have always been above reproach. They are and will forever be completely blameless.
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« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2006, 11:58:25 PM »
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Exactly. The actions of Israel have always been above reproach. They are and will forever be completely blameless.
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« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2006, 12:09:54 AM »
Israel knows how to pragmatically communicate with arab nations. Beyond reproach, maybe not, but they've learned to speak the language of the bully, they do it well, and it would serve the rest of the civiized world to take a lesson from them. Words, diplomacy, negotiations and everything else that is valued as human language in the West simply does not compute with a class of humanity that covertly, often overtly, sits by and supports the first strike mentality that we've seen practiced by the 'holy-warriors' of Islam. Much of the world sympathizes with them because they are, on average, poor and under-equipped by comparison to the Israelis, but, the fact of the matter is, Israel has been and, at least for the forseable future, will remain on the dfensive. Their technological and organizational superiority is trumped by geography and the flow of political tides. Nevertheless, they remain outnumbered and outhated by the enemy. I defy anyone here to quote an Israeli leader as saying that is his/her goal to see the Arab world wiped from existence. Yes, they've acted aggressivly and defiantly, but they've never done so without proper provocation. You say they've been in 6 wars since 1948. I say they've been in one that's never stopped.

Now, some of you may consider Israel an aggressor, perhaps even a 'pissant little nation on his/her government's teet', and I have to commend you. It take some serious intestinal fortitude to villify a nation that is aggressive only in its desire to survive. Survive and prosper in a part of the world where dessert and desolation is par for the course, almost exclusively. Survive and prosper where all their neighbors love off little more than the crud they pump from the ground and the indoctrination they pump in to the minds of their offspring. It takes serious intenstinal fortitude to side against a nation that, unlike any other in the modern world, has these fanatics surprised, even scared by their response to what is nothing more than another cowardly provocation in a series of many. I commend your intestinal fortitude, because despite the fact that you've likely never visited that part of the world, and never will, you've still managed to accumulate enough wisdom in the matter of dealing with constant aggressive encrouchment they you can actually lecture, from a safe distant, and maintain a straight face.

I side with the weak oppressors. In fact, if I could help it, more of my tax dollars would go to aiding these Zionist-fascists. If I could contribute to a world where Israel's population numbers 100 million, I would consider my life more worthwhile. They, unlike anyone else within 1000 miles, have turned their desert into fertile land, both literally and figuratively. They've raised a strong, smart people who, against all odds, actually harbor less hatred than the neighbors who outnumber them better than 20 to 1. The middle east, which is home to some of the oldest evidence of human endeavor, should be a cradle of civilization. As it stands right now, there's only one nation in that corner of the world that's shown any lasting dedication to civility, intelligence and true human progress, and this nation does not bow down to Mecca.

I'd also like to give a rare praise to our president. Although he didn't have the balls to treat the enemy like an enemy after 9/11, at the very least, he's not stopping Israel from doing exactly that. They want a cease fire, then cease-firing and quit trying to leverage a negotiation. The Israelis have played this poker game before.

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« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2006, 02:58:53 AM »
Israel agreed to a cease-fire... yet they bombed again this morning. They had a clause in the deal that "allowed" them to attack a site that is preparing to strike Israel.. LOL


Cease-fire with the option to fire whenever you want is a nice deal i suppose. Kinda gives Hezbolla the same option i guess... and we are at it again.


Nice deal.

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« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2006, 03:06:01 AM »
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Cease-fire with the option to fire whenever you want is a nice deal i suppose. Kinda gives Hezbolla the same option i guess... and we are at it again.


Nice deal.


Sounds like a fair deal. That's what Hezbollah and Hamas has been doing over and over again - Kept the right to bombard Israel once in a while during a cease fire. Israel simply follows the same standard ...

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« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2006, 03:21:13 AM »
bingo Fishu..nice deal.

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« Reply #27 on: July 31, 2006, 03:44:08 AM »
I don't think there's a ceasefire yet. I have heard that Israel was giving southern Lebanon a break but were bombing in the east instead.

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« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2006, 04:51:40 AM »
Just read that they're pausing for 2 days, and gathering up reserve troops for an increased action on the ground.
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« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2006, 05:00:31 AM »
See Rule #5
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