Eclipse 500 - light jet

[Krusher]

Its kinda cheap at 1.5 mil a pop. Heck give me two!

Now where is my flying car !

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maximum cruise speed of 370 knots
carries up to six occupants
range of 1,125 nautical miles.
Celing 41,000-foot

And it can land on smaller runways giving it accces to to more than 10,000 airports in the U.S.

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by Krusher

carries up to six occupants

Is that enough to keep it occupied over a prolonged period?

[Krusher]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Is that enough to keep it occupied over a prolonged period?

I don't know, but I think I found my flying car


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[Rino]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Is that enough to keep it occupied over a prolonged period?

     Having spent a very long time dealing with jets in this class, I
can assure you that occupancy is not what the folks buying them are
looking for.  They care more about time saved than cost efficiency.

     One of the strange trends I have noticed is that the larger bizjets
seem to get, the fewer number of pax are on board  You get a 12-20
seater with 1-2 people deplaning while the smaller lears and citations
sometimes appear like clown cars with all the seats full.

[Wolfala]

Kinda wondering what the operations costs are gonna be. Insurance (because its new), maint, training and direct cost of operation.

[CavemanJ]

Flying Car

[Debonair]

moller seems to be one of the longest running scams in aviation, dont know how he keeps it up.
there has benn just about zero development in the last five years except for the $60 million in investment capital aquired (zOMG i gotta get into that business!!!!11).  OTOH, if you want an Eclipse, get in line, you're at the end of a long waiting list

[Rino]

Originally posted by Wolfala
Kinda wondering what the operations costs are gonna be. Insurance (because its new), maint, training and direct cost of operation.

     I'm wondering how the US ATC system is planning on handling that
many more jets in overcrowded airspace.

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by Rino
I'm wondering how the US ATC system is planning on handling that
many more jets in overcrowded airspace.

So, prop driven General Aviation doesn't use ATC?  Good to know!

This is such a non-starter, the number of added jets is small in the big picture, and your 'what if' applies to any other increase in GA popularity.

[CptA]

Overcrowded Airspace?

Where do you fly?

I my experience most of today's air traffic is centered around a few of the larger Metro area airports served by the larger commercial airlines.

This aircraft was designed as a turbine replacement for much of the twin piston-engined General Aviation fleet currently serving the corporate and Part 135 charter operators.

These folks generally try to stay away from the Hubs and utilize the smaller out-lying feeder and local small-town airports. It saves time, and costs less to fly into these smaller fields, as most do not yet charge exhorbitant landing and ramp fees.

I suppose that this aircraft also appeals to a certain segment of the upscale private market, but that is not really it's intended niche. The real money is in the corporate marketplace, and this aircraft promises lower operating and ownership costs than other earlier designs and technology.

CptA

[Chairboy]

Rino's comments mirror the arguments that the airlines are trying to make, but as CptA says, they just don't "fly".

F-ear
U-ncertainty
D-oubt.

The three legs that make up the tripod of modern business tactics 101.

[Golfer]

The first time I saw one of these in person I nearly laughed out loud as I approached it on the ramp.  I expected a minivan with wings...it's smaller.


This coming from a guy who hides flys slowtations.  I won't think down about the size of the airplane ever again.

[Golfer]

And the delays Rino's talking about don't have anything to do with in the sky.  There's a fixed amount of room limited by enroute spacing and other ATC limitations.  Flow control and ground stop are an almost daily occurance at many of the busy places.  1 hour or more taxi's at places like Newark, Philly and Kennedy are common.  Don't get me started on Teterboro.

Where the delays are going to come from are the places that rich folks go.  New York, Florida and the like.  These are where delays happen and instead of 3 joe schmoes riding first class on one airliner turn into that same airliner and 3 other jets that require the same spacing as everyone else.

Throw in some SWAP routes and things get even more fun.  1 controller talking to 20 airplanes all deviating in the same section of airspace makes you thank the little TCAS feature on the MFD.  When  you're kicking a field goal between towering CB goalposts with 4 other airplanes stacked at 1000' all whizzing past each other at the same point over the ground gets your attention.

[Dago]

Originally posted by Golfer
And the delays Rino's talking about don't have anything to do with in the sky.  There's a fixed amount of room limited by enroute spacing and other ATC limitations.  Flow control and ground stop are an almost daily occurance at many of the busy places.  1 hour or more taxi's at places like Newark, Philly and Kennedy are common.  Don't get me started on Teterboro.

Where the delays are going to come from are the places that rich folks go.  New York, Florida and the like.  These are where delays happen and instead of 3 joe schmoes riding first class on one airliner turn into that same airliner and 3 other jets that require the same spacing as everyone else.

Throw in some SWAP routes and things get even more fun.  1 controller talking to 20 airplanes all deviating in the same section of airspace makes you thank the little TCAS feature on the MFD.  When  you're kicking a field goal between towering CB goalposts with 4 other airplanes stacked at 1000' all whizzing past each other at the same point over the ground gets your attention.

They are so cute when they are young and new, all excited and wanting to show how much they have learned.  

[Chairboy]

The problem with GA is not minijets, it's this (From AVWeb):

AirVenture, some pilots just don't get it.

On the return home Saturday I heard the following exchange as I headed southbound passing Madison, WI. Warrior 98765 was heading north and already receiving a Flight Following Service from Madison Approach.

Warrior 765: Madison, Warrior 765. Can you tell me if there is a NOTAM or anything for getting into Oshkosh?

Madison Approach: Say Again ...

Warrior 765: Yeah. Can you tell me if there is any kind of special NOTAM for getting into Oshkosh today?

[Long Pause]

Madison Approach: You're kidding, right?

Warrior 765: No, my [garbled] was out and I couldn't get anything before I took off. Can you tell me what the arrival procedure is?

[Longer Pause]

Madison Approach: (speaking slowly) I suggest you land before you get there and get a copy. There's one here at Wisconsin Aviation ... or Middleton is in your 10 o'clock.

Warrior 765: Standby ...