Windows Vista Beta 2

[Gunslinger]

I just really don't like the idea of DRM.

Imagine if you where working in your garage and your screwdriver or powerdrill refused to work because the weed-eater you are trying to take apart and fix won't let it.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by LePaul
Oh Skuzzy, you are always the Chicken Little yelling "The sky is falling!" with any new technology  

Umm I'm usually pretty MS-neutral, but vista has me scratching my head about where I'll be going. Even the local MS reps seem nervous about vista.

There are questions however about how MS will stick to its DRM guns. Some of the features in vista could be illegal in some countries, particular europe. Look at the way the euro's are going MS over XP and Win 2003 at the moment...

Either way, I foresee a trainwreck with vista.

[Rolex]

If more game developers ported their games to Linux, users would fill in any hardware support holes. Those fixes could then be integrated into the OS, or as part of the game download. Chicken or egg?

[LePaul]

Originally posted by Rolex
If more game developers ported their games to Linux, users would fill in any hardware support holes. Those fixes could then be integrated into the OS, or as part of the game download. Chicken or egg?

Pffft, dude, that wont help bring average users into Linux.

I mean, Windows is Windows.

Linux?  Can you hear the support department now.."Hi, which build? Which Kernel?  KDE?  Gnome? "

Linux may be a lot of things...but ready for the average noobs...no way.

[xrtoronto]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
DRM also prevents you from making a copy of a CD/DVD, unless the publisher has allowed it.  That's right.  Buy a legitimate CD/DVD and there will be a good chance Vista will not allow you to make a copy.

this alone is enough to make me stick with XP

[Sandman]

Originally posted by LePaul

Linux may be a lot of things...but ready for the average noobs...no way.

Years ago, Windows 3.1 wasn't ready for the average noob either.

Ubuntu looks pretty easy.

[Rolex]

The 'average noob' can't handle installing Windows either, LePaul.

Aren't you a little young to be stuck in a rut already?

[Roscoroo]

Originally posted by lukster
Well, I may be old but I'm still a kid when it comes to new toys and I'm liking Vista more and more.

I installed the Office 2007 beta and it starts fast and the memory gadget only shows a 1% increase in memory usage when I run Outlook or Word.

just wait a few days ... your mind will change ...

ive been beta   beating vista since it was longhorn ...  the 2nd beta is better but its got more processes then you can shake a stick at .. they renamed all the kernel  ext. so its harder then hell to get used to ... it frelling sits and thinks for 10 mins sometimes ... shall i go on ... Half of my fav stuff doesnt work ...

I'm waiting for the GoogleOS .. I wont give M$ anymore $$$ if I can help it.

Btw have you seen what Paul Allen did to 1/4er of seattle ???  He turned it into a vacant getto by buying up lots ...

[LePaul]

Originally posted by Rolex
The 'average noob' can't handle installing Windows either, LePaul.

Aren't you a little young to be stuck in a rut already?

Young?

Oh well how can I dislike someone who says Im young!  Aww!

Nice tactic...cant convince...confuse!

[Skuzzy]

Originally posted by LePaul
Oh Skuzzy, you are always the Chicken Little yelling "The sky is falling!" with any new technology  

Toms Hardware had a good, thorough introduction to Vista Beta a few weeks ago.

Im pretty curious to see what it, and DirectX 10 bring to the gaming world.

That's just it.  There is no *new* technology anyone needs in Vista.  The only thing new about it is how it will restrict you from doing many things you take for granted right now.

I already looked into the latest Beta.  The only thing I see of benefit is how the hardware manufacturer's are going to make a killing selling the hardware needed to run this pig of an OS.

DX10 is being streamlined for Vista (Cod knws they have to do something to get some performance out of it running under Vista).  Part of that streamlining is dropping backward compatibility for several versions of DirectX.  It appears DX8 is the oldest they will support.  That could change as it seems many things about Vista are still flopping around and being thrashed,

The only reason review sites are being kind about Vista is to protect themselves from the wrath of MS.

If you are willing to herald anything MS does as great, then you can ignore me.  I have nothing against new technology.  But when there is no benefit to it, and it is not solving a problem, then what is the point?  
Yes, you can buy into all the marketing hype you like and use that as an argument for something *new*.  It does not mean it is better.

Instead of attempting to beat my head against the wall, why don't you tell me what is so beneficial to Vista as it pertains to how it improves the overall productivity of the user?  Tell me what technology it has which makes using a computer so much easier to manage?

You know what I get whan I ask these questions?  "It looks pretty."  "It's cool."  "I can make my desktop look better".  Yeah, that is some compelling stuff right there.

[Nilsen]

imo an operating system should only be a stable and secure enabler of the software you are using... It should never be the most demanding piece of software on your system.

in the background...only doing the very basic is were i like it.

[lukster]

Everyone loves to bash Microsoft (me included). A year within it's release and you'll all be running it.

[Sandman]

I bet not.

[lukster]

I don't care for the DRM but the system does not appear bloated to me. It starts faster than XP and so do all of the Office products. I don't know if the new file system is still on hold for the release but I think it sounds like a worthwhile improvement. Of course the jury will be out on the effectiveness of the new security until it's been out for a while. If effective, that alone would be reason enough for many to upgrade.


Lemme qualify that statement about Vista starting faster. They actually start in the same amount of time (45 seconds) but XP is starting on a sata2 drive while I installed Vista on a sata1.

Gaming performance is definitely lagging in Vista but I'll be surprised if it isn't at least the same as XP by release.

http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.aspx?i=2780&p=11

[Skuzzy]

Originally posted by Sandman
I bet not.

Quoted for truth.  There is no compelling reason to upgrade at all.  lukster, how long does your Vista system take to boot?  From the time my XP boot record starts, to the time I am at the desktop, is 22 seconds.  And that is on a 1.8Ghz P4 w/512MB of RAM and an IDE HD.

My home system boots even faster.

By the way, I ran Vista on both, and it booted slower.

The system requirements for Windows XP said 256MB of RAM.  Vista is 512MB (1GB recommended).  Now, if you really need to run something, you better have at least 1GB of RAM.  You can easily get away with 512MB of RAM in XP for most situations.
If you ran a game on XP, and found it to run better when 1GB of RAM is installed, then it will take 2GB of RAM on Vista to get the same performance.

You already said games run slower.  Maybe your computer do not have enough RAM.

Bloat.  It is a fat sinking **** and there is simply no reason for it to exist.  That is not MS bashing.  You want MS bashing?  Ok,..why don;t those turds sit on an operating system long enough to get it right?  Why re-invent the wheel when the old wheel still needs work?
No, let's find more ways to prevent people for using thier computer.  Let's obstruct the playing of high definition DVD's just because we can.  Let's not let people actually make useful copies of thier software.  Let's make sure everyone has to buy new computers to run this operating system.  Let's make it more difficult to administer the operating system.  Let's open and create new ways for spyware/malware/viruses/hackers to screw it up.

I could go on all day long bashing, but it is not particularly helpful.