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Offline Vruth

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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2002, 11:03:00 AM »
You're still forgetting the fact they are giving the game away, key or not. No longer do I have to shelve out $50 first to play.

It still sounds desperate.

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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2002, 11:05:00 AM »
If you are talking about the basics of a complex system, then yes more than 30% of what's on the box is in the game.

Now, I was talking about what's exactly printed on the box. The sea portion is still missing. The flying part has a horrible FM, and produces pathetically low fps for a game with such low details by today's standards. The tank part is the most complete- but it isn't. Damage model needs work, and there's still the problems with armor interracting with some solid objects. Have they fixed the hook up problem with artillery yet? Last time I saw, that didn't work at all- you had more luck attaching your soldier to a truck to be hauled around than an artillery piece (or whatever they haul around).

Some people look at it with a different view point I guess. Sure, if WWIIOl were a free d/l (which it is now, but it's way to large to be worth my time and it's only a trial version) like AH or WB, then maybe I would overlook the glaring issues it has. Or the fact that the tech support doesn't exist. Or the fact that it's not even half of what's advertised on the box. But no, they released it as a 50$ boxed game. They advertised it as a complete game. It's been how many months since they released it? It still isn't close to what it should have been.

I've got nothing against CRS, but you can't honestly expect someone to look at something objectively when it's ADVERTISED AS COMPLETE only to find out it's less than half baked and the yeast is bad.

I was skeptical of Il-2 and pointed out it's many issues, I still bought it.

I even bought B17-II only to find out it too wasn't going to deliver what it promised, but atleast it was slightly more than half-baked.

Unlike MG, who wants to bash anything that won't run on a MAC, I am only pointing out the errors/problems with the game. Nothing more.
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« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2002, 11:08:00 AM »
Vruth:

And how is it a bad thing to let folks try the game before shelling out $40 for the box? If you want to play more than 7 days, you still have to shell out $50. This just gives you a chance to see if it'll be worth it. That's PRECISELY what folks have been blasting them for NOT doing over the last 8 months. Now they finally listen, and people still find a way to turn it into a negative?

In fact, it's a lot bigger risk for them, since many people may not like the game, and won't purchase it after the trial. I fail to see your logic.

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« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2002, 11:16:00 AM »
"Alas. Someone go ahead and give me my pom-poms now, since I'm obviously nothing more than a fanboi."

 Fanboi? nah.  Eternal optimist, yes     :)   I regard 'fan boi' as a derogaroty term and I've "known" you too long to see you labelled with that Spitboy.

 My pov is they have a lot of bad impressions they created to overcome. The "cloud of fubar"" that hovers over them won't go away with a 7 day freebie or substanceless "PR" which is Hatchs' specialty.  That's in my eyes anyway.

 I personally hope they have a 1.6 coming before this free week because, for me, trying 1.5 offline along with reading the continuing problems with gameplay on thier boards just doesn't ignite any desire to really try it out online again.

 Course free is FREE so I probably will try it anyway. However the amount of enthusiasm and enjoyment I do it with is more or less in CRS's hands. All factors effecting program peformance and gameplay are under thier control at this point. Let's see if they step up to the plate and make good hosts by ensuring they have all the bases covered for thier guests that week. Starting with the download, making an account (no way will I provide a cc# for this as I've seen too many troubel reports about billing- valid or not my CC# is not needed anyway right?) and here's a toast to the server(s) being able to withstand the influx. In other words let's hope it's not another "piece of 'glass'" at fault.    :)

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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2002, 11:32:00 AM »
What, no pom-poms yet? Come on people, you're slipping!   :)

> The sea portion is still missing.

Technically, no. It's there. Just rather embryonic. Boats can be fun, but they're mostly useless. They see about as much use as the boats in AH, from what I hear. To most they are just a fun diversion from the real draw of the game.

> The flying part has a horrible FM

Debateable. It certainly has holes, but in some areas it has pluses. Overall I get a nice sense of immersion, and I find the plane performance disparities resemble the history I've read about. Stukas don't shoot me down unless I've done something really dumb. I mark it as "acceptable", personally. Not great, but good enough to enjoy.

> and produces pathetically low fps

Not for me. But yeah, performance is rough. You need a high-octane box to play well.

> for a game with such low details by today's standards.

Debatable. You need to judge it on a level playing field - and frankly, there's nothing to fairly judge it against in terms of # of units viewable, amount of cover and objects (non-sprite or procedural) in the terrain, and viewable distance. Nothing comes close.

> Have they fixed the hook up problem with artillery yet?

About three months ago, if I recall. Plus the AT guns were re-worked to be much easier to move around. They see a lot of use these days, and can be very effective.

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« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2002, 11:37:00 AM »
Here's how I see it; I get to look at it again with no risk. CRS gets to point to the increased numbers and clearly illustrate the interest in the concept. Everybody wins.

Yes, it is definitely a desperate move, but this should be no revelation at this point. Chapter 11 is not good news, no matter what spin you put on it. But let me add what I do finally see from them I haven't yet; the willingness to listen to suggestions and do what it takes to make people want to come and stay. Maybe they haven't come all the way yet, but it (the trial) is an indication they are trying. They are trying to address technical support with player help. Will it work? I don't know, but at least there is some hope it might.

I still harbor doubts like anyone else. I guess I just don't see what I have to lose if I try it. While it won't be the end of the world if CRS goes under (to me) I have no overt desire to see it happen. Further, if they can somehow rise phoenix-like from the ashes and put together a game I can like, I just have another option- and you know I like options.  ;)

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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2002, 11:38:00 AM »
Spit, no poms poms because this sim speaks for itself..just remember that almost two years ago I was being nice and asking some AGW members to "consider" Aces High if they were a flight sim enthusiast...and then the flames began...nice to know that folks have 'matured' over there...sometimes force feeding makes you that way  ;)

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« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2002, 11:42:00 AM »
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Starting with the download, making an account (no way will I provide a cc# for this as I've seen too many troubel reports about billing- valid or not my CC# is not needed anyway right?)

I dunno Westy. Haven't actually played the game in several weeks, and only briefly followed the initial announcement.

I hope not - kinda defeats the purpose. Also, I highly suggested to CRS that:

1. They wait until 1.6 for this, which sports a new GUI that is supposedly much more user-friendly and has better tools for mission organization and communication.

2. They make a special private forum for free trial folks to get help, and allow knowledgable, mature users to answer/act as moderators.

3. Have all their ducks in a row, with actual working tech support, in-game guides available, and some of the really annoying bugs fixed (like clipping issues, unit biasing rules, and yellow flags).

In short - I think this is their last slim chance to make a go at their original vision of being a large MMORPG. If they blow it, they're either gone, or they will scale back to be a niche sim with a small (but fanatical) userbase. That means axing most of the staff, chunking off CRS from Playnet, and going the HTC route if possible (small team).

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« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2002, 11:46:00 AM »
What? I have to spend a couple of hours to download the monster, play it for just seven days and if I want to play more than that, I have to go out and buy it?  As if.

Why can't I just download it and pay the monthly fee like Aces High or Warbirds?

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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2002, 11:47:00 AM »
Originally posted by SWulfe:
If you are talking about the basics of a complex system, then yes more than 30% of what's on the box is in the game.

 Alot more than 30%

Now, I was talking about what's exactly printed on the box. The sea portion is still missing.

 Funny I've driven a boat all the way to England from northern France, there was actually a successful invasion of England a couple of months ago.

 The flying part has a horrible FM, and produces pathetically low fps for a game with such low details by today's standards.

 Again wrong.  The cockpit models are the 2nd best out there, only topped by IL2's textures.  What low details are you refereing to?  Seriously that makes no sence to me.  The FM has all the important forces modeled, they just need to tweek the numbers to get them right.  That's probobly not at the top of their priorities list, yet.  Stalls and spins are where it's the worst.


The tank part is the most complete- but it isn't.

 What's not complete about it?

 Damage model needs work

 In what way?  WW2 online sports the best damage model out there  :) I wish I could post the damage logs from the beta, you would see just how much they take into account.  But I can't talk about that for another couple of years.

and there's still the problems with armor interracting with some solid objects.

 There will probobly always be clipping issues in this game.  Look how HUGE the map is.  There are toejamloads of solid objects to deal with, literaly thousands upon thousands.

 Have they fixed the hook up problem with artillery yet? Last time I saw, that didn't work at all- you had more luck attaching your soldier to a truck to be hauled around than an artillery piece (or whatever they haul around).

 dude when was the last time you played?  They fixed that back in july or august i believe.

Some people look at it with a different view point I guess. Sure, if WWIIOl were a free d/l (which it is now, but it's way to large to be worth my time and it's only a trial version) like AH or WB, then maybe I would overlook the glaring issues it has. Or the fact that the tech support doesn't exist. Or the fact that it's not even half of what's advertised on the box. But no, they released it as a 50$ boxed game. They advertised it as a complete game. It's been how many months since they released it? It still isn't close to what it should have been.


  I can't argue with any of that, in my subjective opinion, that this version (1.50) finaly meets what was on the box with the exception of system specs. (system specs have been wrong on 90% of the games I've bought.)

I've got nothing against CRS, but you can't honestly expect someone to look at something objectively when it's ADVERTISED AS COMPLETE only to find out it's less than half baked and the yeast is bad.


 No i don't think you could look at it objectively, your too hung up on past mistakes to give them another chance  :)


I was skeptical of Il-2 and pointed out it's many issues, I still bought it.

 IL2 was the best release of a boxed flight sim ever.  It has issues, but no show stopers that I have run into.

I even bought B17-II only to find out it too wasn't going to deliver what it promised, but atleast it was slightly more than half-baked.

 YUK! that game pissed me off!

Unlike MG, who wants to bash anything that won't run on a MAC, I am only pointing out the errors/problems with the game. Nothing more.
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 True, but I hope that you give it another go around with the free trial.  With an OPEN MIND.  The game still has frame rate issues to be sure.  To me this is worst in the 1st person and flight aspects, but I really don't notice it while in tanks or artilery or trucks.

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« Reply #25 on: January 08, 2002, 12:00:00 PM »
The U-Boat's are in? I read somewhere about fleets and other such things that you can take command of being in the retail box version. Have they gotten that far yet?

The cockpits might be nice, but they are a far cry from the best. They don't display operational/readable instruments without a seperate 2D view, and then it's only slightly readable. The plane models are nice. The tank and person models are nice too. But that's about where it ends. The trees are nothing spectacular, and the other terrain details just don't catch my eye like other games. Bombed out buildings look really bad- I'll go find some screenshots to show you what I mean. The terrain is also clipped very closely when you are flying, so at 5,000feet it looks like you are at 25,000feet in Aces High.

I read a few days ago about soldiers still being able to run through walls and other such things.

Anyway, I'm not going to get hung up on the infantry or tanks or boats- I'm simply not interested in any of that. It's the flying aspect I like, and no matter how well it interacts with the surroundings, the frame rate is still unacceptable for flying.

I might have a closed mind, but that's still 50$ in my pocket that I can put towards something that's actually worthwhile to me.
EDIT: My time is also limited too, so I can't just waste it giving something a shot that has a very bad track record.
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« Reply #26 on: January 08, 2002, 12:08:00 PM »
"The cockpits might be nice, but they are a far cry from the best. They don't display operational/readable instruments without a seperate 2D view"

Erhh..just what game are you talking about?.

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« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2002, 12:09:00 PM »
They've managed to get rid of the instrument view and make the instruments readable in the normal view?

That's news to me.
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« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2002, 01:06:00 PM »
Im going to have to check this out, i was really impressed with all the bugs i saw fixed since the release of the game. This will give me a chance to check it out online, since i wasnt about to risk even $10 to see if it was any better.

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« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2002, 02:21:00 PM »
When does this trial go into effect, or is that info not available yet?
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