Originally posted by midnight Target
But you did! We paid the Japanese American people who were interned during WW2 for their troubles. I assume you are a taxpayer, so I say we. I also assume you weren't around or had anything to do with it. I'll have to claim ignorance on this, I didn't realize we had payed them reparations. (is that better?
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Don't be so quick to use that "apples and oranges" diatribe. I'm not talking about slavery. And my analogy is right on the money.
Only 40 years ago most of the Universities in this country were loth to accept Black students unless they could run a quick 40, or dunk. How many generations of "equal treatment" does it take to make the race fair? Affirmative action is the remedy for a lack of opportunity, not for slavery 150 years ago. I agree, but as far as I'm concerned the debt has been paid in full. At what point is it racist to let a less qualified black student in over a more qualified white student? It should be the same either way when it comes to anything federal. What the blacks went through in the south was abhorent to say the least. But what 30 years of a wellfair state did was even worse. It caused whole generations to lose the work ethic. Why work when the government will pay me to make babies? making babies is more fun than work so... Now that too has changed in the past 8 years with limits on how much you can get in wellfair. It really pisses me off to think of all the people that waste the handout and make others hate wellfair because of that, it hurts tho's who really need it the most, people who truely can't work.
The members of the black middle class, in general, had to work harder than the members of the white middle class to achieve their level of success (sorry no proof here just my opinion). No proof needed, I've worked with blacks in the past and saw it with my own eyes. They all told me that in the long run they're better off for it from the "life lessons" it taught them. That doesn't mean they didn't hate it, just that they learned more from life because of it.
No one is asking the man "without" the piano to stop running. The starting line should be even though.....isn't that the American way? maybe provide a short cut for the guy at a disadvantage. Close the gap a little. Ok here's the way I see it. You can ...
1. start the race over - Impossible to do
2. Make the poor guy keep the piano and laugh at him - many still do this
3. Give the guy a short cut (as you put it) - this was the best option and the path our nation took. My point is that we gave him the short cut and he took it. If I'm still winning the race I'm sorry he's just going to have to run faster.
I believe we are at that point. Afirmative Action was woven into every part of our country, military, schools, government jobs etc.. Blacks got preferensial treatment for 30 years, that's 3 to 4 generations of people. Some took that chance and ran with it, some sat back and got fat on the sow's tete and are at the same place they were when we started AA. Do I feel bad for those people? Sure, but they have to learn to help themselves before somebody else can help them. Does this mean life is fair now? No, it never has been nor ever will be fair. Life is the ultimate un-fair thing. You work, toil, sweat, bleed, cry and do all the things to be a success, to raise a family and what not. In the end what do you get for your trouble? DEATH! Is that fair?
There will always be people looking to screw other people around, and there will always be people who get screwed. What's important is what they do to protect themselves from it. (no not condems
) After 10 years of work I'm still in the negative on my ballance sheet. Where's my "helping hand"? Why is it fair that others had an easier start than I did? It's not and I was taught that at a young age so I deal with it. I work harder knowing that one day I will be in the positive and be more free because of it. That's my insentive, you give me a hand out and you just took away the reason I work.
I guess I'll stop now because I'm starting to ramble but I think you can see my point, I hope
S! to ya, these are the kinds of debates that we need to get back to around here. Nice and civil and no name calling
It's a nice thing finishing a political reply without frothing at the mouth...
