Author Topic: DD sherman (Read 2389 times)

toadkill · « **on:** August 02, 2006, 02:03:44 PM »

i know that sherman has been brought up every month for all of eternity. but badgering people sometimes gets things done.

as subject says. i would like a DD sherman, they had thier problems, but an amphibious tank would give CVs a chance to participate in gv battles. instead of bombing things.

gsharp · « **Reply #1 on:** August 02, 2006, 02:05:27 PM »

If thats the Sherman that tried to float across the channel on D-day, wernt those an almost complete failure?

toadkill · « **Reply #2 on:** August 02, 2006, 03:05:45 PM »

they did not function properly because of the bad weather. the principle of floatation that they used was displacement. and for that to work, no water can get inside the "skirt", but the large waves swamped them. since we dont have bad weather or waves, in our world they will function properly. if they were to be added, the "skirt" could be deployed via the GEAR command. the gun could not be fired in the water due to the skirt extending a couple feet above the actual top of the tank.

Treize69 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 02, 2006, 03:17:42 PM »

Not to nitpick a good idea (we NEED Allied tanks, any way we can get them!!!) but wouldn't the DD tanks be even slower in the water than the LVTs are??

SMIDSY · « **Reply #4 on:** August 02, 2006, 03:31:09 PM »

they only failed on omaha beach. the reason they failed was because they tried to compensate for the current, which made their sides face the waves causing them to capsize. they must have missed day one of boating school. nearly all the DD tanks on the other normandy beaches functioned well, especially on gold beach.

toadkill · « **Reply #5 on:** August 02, 2006, 04:02:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Treize69
(we NEED Allied tanks, any way we can get them!!!)

that was exactly my point with this post. i figured we could kill 2 birds with one stone.

toadkill · « **Reply #6 on:** August 02, 2006, 04:19:20 PM »

DD tanks were reported to move at 4 MPH, thats almost half the speed of LVTs.

i got that off wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duplex_Drive

SMIDSY · « **Reply #7 on:** August 02, 2006, 06:34:39 PM »

but they were much better protected than the LVTs.

gsharp · « **Reply #8 on:** August 02, 2006, 06:56:50 PM »

It would be vulnerable until it was feet dry. I imagine a 303 would have no problem sliceing through the canvas. One or two holes may not be too bad, but more than that would flood the whole thing.

Treize69 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 02, 2006, 07:39:54 PM »

I dont think AH is coded for leaks- the flotation skirt would either be there or not.

Probably be set to collapse at a certain damage level.

SMIDSY · « **Reply #10 on:** August 02, 2006, 08:09:47 PM »

well, the DDs at gold beach had little trouble with leaks it would seem, so i dont think small bullet holes will be much worry.

Kermit de frog · « **Reply #11 on:** August 02, 2006, 10:36:28 PM »

oooohhhh, this sounds like a great idea!!!!!!

toadkill · « **Reply #12 on:** August 03, 2006, 01:38:30 AM »

the bullet holes only matter if they are close to or below the water level. chances are though, a bullet that entered into the water from a .303+ caliber rifle is traveling at high velocity. a bullet with a high velocity will almost indefinately vaporize once it hits the water. i would say the biggest threat to a DD tanks skirt (below water level) would be a guy with a 9mm luger swimming around the tank.

Speed55 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 03, 2006, 05:46:03 AM »

I was watching mythbusters. They tested if water could deflect bullets like they do in the movies. They shot a bunch of different caliber rounds into the water at a realistic angle, and nearly all of them fell apart. Mind you, they shot at the water from nearly point blank range, and they determined that if you were 5 ft under the water and someone was shooting a 9mm at you at an angle, that you were safe.
50 cal, if i remember actually disintegrated into a hundred tiny harmless pieces.

edit: And this was in a calm swimming pool, not the ocean with a current, and undertow.

Goomba · « **Reply #14 on:** August 03, 2006, 10:32:54 AM »

I'd like to see an allied tank or two as well, but not this one. I'd think the Sherman Firefly variant would actually get more use in general. I'm not sure that I personally ever felt a need for more GV participation from CVs.

The 'Calliope' variant could be fun, too. That's the one with rocket racks over the turret. Would make quick work of a town or hangars

Not saying it's wrong, just not how I would prioritize.