Can HTC eliminate external view on Ar234 and Mosquito.

[GRUNHERZ]

Sure autopilot climb is cool too. All im against is buffs using the 3D outside view to manouver out of gun passes.  Having the the perfect 3D view and full controls to immediatly take evasives is in no way like the tail gunner saying to the pilot there is a fighter on our 7OC.

But again since my buff friends never fly the outside 3D view they certainly wont object.  

[SKurj]

Grunherz I never do anything but turn when engaged.  I sit in a gunner position and use rudder pedals to avoid the passes and shoot back.
If I lose sight and feel I have time, I will jump to F3, move to a better gun (which as soon as i do, i am no longer in F3 mode) and thats it.

I suppose if i had a gunner I could do more than just turn, but then if i am using external with a gunner whats the difference?  If I had 8 other guys onboard all with RW sure, lose external, otherwise...

Trust me, it ain't goin anywhere +)


SKurj

[GRUNHERZ]

Having somebody tell you turn right and climb, when you cant see the plane from the cockpit yourself is much different  than having the instant 3D view and seeing the attacker yourself.

Anyway you just told me that you dont use F3 wiew in the vast majoirity of your evasives, so I would think you want object to its beinng a bit more limited, like getting set on level or climb autopilot.

[SKurj]

No i guess not IF!!!  there is no delay when hit pedals.  As it is currently the rudder cannot deactivate autopilot.  And also the delay when trying to get auto off could be catastrophic to a buff

btw F3 view in a gunner position already is auto pilot

SKurj

[GRUNHERZ]

No its not, if you hit F3 view you can actually fly the plane and use that view to perfectly manuver out of gun passes.

What im asking for is that If you hit F3 youu still get the external view for its intended SA puropse, BUT that you cant control the plane and use it as unfair ARCADE mode. Basically hit F3, get 3D view but no ability to manuver and fly plane from the outside view, only level or climb autopilot!

[Nash]

But then how do you reconcile that with the fact that gunners could still see incoming bandits and call out their positions while the pilot was making any manuever?

[GRUNHERZ]

Very simple actually.

You switch to F3 view to locate the bandint.

Then pop back into cockpit and make the evasive.

This slight half second lag time, I feel, nicely replicates several things:

The less than perfect info the pilot would likey get. Basicall its like if ur driving blinfolded (cant see con) and somvody is feedind u commsands, turn left brake etc.

And it simulates a slight lag time thats norman when the info is communicated from one person seeing it to him telling the pilot to the pilot finally making the evasive.


It really seems sensible, the lag time is barely half a second and nicely simulates the realistic liitations of even having all those eyes to see.

I think its fair and reasonable, no?

[SKurj]

YES it is grun if u are the pilot and u move to gunner position the plane automatically goes into auto pilot, with the exception that the rudder can turn the plane, whether in F3 view or not.  If you are in the pilot's position and F3 u can fly however u wish.

SKurj

[ 08-27-2001: Message edited by: SKurj ]

[SKurj]

BTW... you need to drum up more support for your point of view Grunherz...


SKurj

[Fury]

I wish F3 was removed for all planes.

[Westy MOL]

"I wish F3 was removed for all planes."

 I'm on the fence in regard to this issue. I can see both sides PV and they are both valid.
 It would certainly help however if a pilot could get as many gunners to join as there are positions on any given bomber instead of just himself or one other.

Westy

[GRUNHERZ]

Skurj im not sure ill be able to garner support for this idea, quite simply its human nature for them to resist anything that seems to make it harder and less "comfortable" or old.

What im doing is pointing it out as an issue to HTC, in hope they act on it the sdame way as they removed the ARCADE 3D view on tanks.

Many resisted the change early but now its seen as very good realism step and good for gameplay and immersion.


Basically the buff guys wont support this till its forced on them, then I feel the real buff guys will begin to appreciate the challenge and re learn quickly.

[SKurj]

Grunherz from your point of view losing the F3 view makes it easier (for fighters to shoot em down)

So lobby on the basis it makes it easier for the anti-buff crowd.

SKurj