Author Topic: yes, pedophilia should be a capital offense (Read 1500 times)

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #60 on:** August 04, 2006, 03:25:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen

Here the minimum age of _consentual_ sex is 16.

It is here too so long as the adult in question is not in a position of authority of or responcability of the person

Meaning a 40 year old person can legally have sex with a 16 year old person so long as they arent in a position of authority over them. Teacher, step parent, Scout leader etc

I dont agree with it. But that is the way it is

lazs2 · « **Reply #61 on:** August 05, 2006, 09:59:25 AM »

mini... I assume that you mean that life screws people up and sometimes.... in some people... events not sexual do more harm than a childhood molestation?

Perhaps that is true but if we believe that sex is the most important drive and the one that affects our personalities the most (especialy durring the formative years)... then we should be careful how children are formed in regards to it.

I believe that most mollesters were mollested as children themselves so... this is a practice that not only damages the child itself but is self perpetuating. I gave the example of parental brutality because I believe that only that (parental brutality) approches the damage that a mollestation of a child does and I think that harsh penalties for either act are warranted.

All forms of brutality against helpless children shoul carry harsh punishments... the child mollester is a very sick person who can never be cured.

We may not be able to do anything about friends leading adolecents astray or parents with weird ideas but...

We can do something about the mollester and the extremely abusive parent when we catch em..

We should do what we can instead of saying.... "well... they are no worse than other abusers."

In the case of child mollesters... we have the opportuniy for some good old black and white justice and..... in my opinion... mercy... the mercy to put em down.

lazs

Nilsen · « **Reply #62 on:** August 05, 2006, 10:09:44 AM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
It is here too so long as the adult in question is not in a position of authority of or responcability of the person

Meaning a 40 year old person can legally have sex with a 16 year old person so long as they arent in a position of authority over them. Teacher, step parent, Scout leader etc

I dont agree with it. But that is the way it is

If say the teacher, the doctor, the minister or anyone like that would have sex with someone over 16 then there may be consequenses for them here too, but it would not fall under the same law. No good way to translate the name of the law im afraid.

Mini D · « **Reply #63 on:** August 05, 2006, 11:27:17 AM »

Lazs... you always fail to realize that examples are just those: examples. There is no example that explains pedophilia. You act as if "child molester" is a quantifiable statement. How would you define it exactly? What acts would/wouldn't fall into that category? Would spanking a child put you into that category? Would carrying someone else's child on your shoulders? Would sitting on a park bench with your arm around a child do it?

I'll also comment that when I see someone spending more time worrying about the punishment a child molester is getting than talking with their kids it makes me think.

Let me give you an example, since that's the language you seem to understand: A man sits and talks about his 13 year old daughter: "Well, I had to bail her out of jail last night again. She was arrested for prostitution. I kicked the ***** out of the house afterwards."

I don't think killing child molestors will rid the world of pedophilia. I suppose you'd have to also kill thier victims just to be sure. I think there's alot more to the equation than "child molesters were molested as children."

lazs2 · « **Reply #64 on:** August 06, 2006, 09:56:27 AM »

Mini... I would reserve the death penalty for a child molester who kidnaped or sexualy penetrated a child or did a violent sexual offense. Lesser offences would fall under a 3 strikes law I would say or.. in first or second offences.... let the judge and jury decide.

I only worry about examples because yours are so lame.

I don't understand your example at all with the 13 year old. Why would the man "bail her out"? she is a minor in any case... How did she get there? You said "again" are you saying that any crime that a kid commits it is the parents fault? Do you know about drugs? Are you familiar with them?

There is no amount of parental talking that will stop an addict from becomeing an addict. If that is the case in your example then the parent needed to allow the "child" to go to jail.

I could see you "talking" your head off as she walks out the door to meet her "friends" and you don't hear from her till the cops call.

Soooo.. you have one example of a 7 year sentance for slapping a womans butt and another of a teenage prostitute to explain how the whole penalty thing is a huge gray area that only a judge can understand?

A better example would be helpful.

lazs

Mini D · « **Reply #65 on:** August 06, 2006, 10:25:45 AM »

The guy is going to get life in prison lazs. That's the way it goes with that. Thump your chest all you want, it won't change the vote on that one. But remember, you're now defining a child molestor as someone who "kidnaped or sexualy penetrated a child or did a violent sexual offense". You can say that and sound all just and right with yourself, but differentiate that from any other sexual assault charge from touching to virtually anything. You cannot anywhere but in your mind. It does not translate to law.

The example was just of a ****ed up parent that is every bit as responsible for his childs ****ed upedness as any child molestor would be. Somehow, a brutal sexual act is worse than continued brutal behavior by a parent. I mean, you believe that... right? Instead of tirades and chest thumping, it seems a time to focus on being a better parent... no matter how perfect of a job you think you're doing or have done.

Hornet33 · « **Reply #66 on:** August 06, 2006, 10:37:46 AM »

Toss that joker in General Population. Then he can learn a new game called survival. He'll end up dead soon enough.

lazs2 · « **Reply #67 on:** August 06, 2006, 10:46:44 AM »

mini... how is the example you gave any indication of brutal treatment by a parent?

I told you how it could have gone down and I have seen it in person. I have seen families with one teen as you show and one who is just fine... both raised exactly the same. the difference is the addiction factor.

Some people are just born with flaws. addicts are born with flaws that very few overcome. most cause a lot of harm durring their life.

child mollesters are born with a much more serious flaw or... are made... once they aquire that flaw tho.... they can't be cured and they will only cause more and more harm while living a life of missery.

It is simply the humane thing to to do to put them down.

If you can't cure it and you can't moderate it and they are a danger to others... you need to make sure that they aren't amung us... the only way to assure that is to execute them.... the only humane thing is to put em out of their missery.

lazs

Mini D · « **Reply #68 on:** August 06, 2006, 11:04:56 AM »

Wow lazs, on top of your "kill all pedophiles" rant, you actually have to go back and attack THAT example? Are you serious?

And while I'm confident you think you have all of the social science skills necessary to identify the root causes of pedophilia and use that knowledge to justify their extermination... I'll have, once again, to point out that the rest of society lacks your clarity of vision, you're crystal clear definitions and your noble intentions.

Should someone that victimizes children be put down? Define victimizes. You seem to think sexually is the standard by which all that is measured. I believe that is an inherant social flaw.

lazs2 · « **Reply #69 on:** August 07, 2006, 08:55:03 AM »

sooo mini. are you saying that sexuality is not one of most powerful... if not the most powerful drives? That our sexuality has a large part in defining us?

Perhaps you can show me the evidence of pedophiles being "cured"?

As for examples... I take em as the come at me. If you can't come up with good examples then don't blame me.

Our sexuality is so important to us as human beings that.. when it is broken.. we are permanently damaged in a very fundamental way.

I do not think that you will find any socialogist or shrink that would dissagree with that....

We simply can't allow those who are damaged in such a fundamental way to continue to do damage to others.

lazs