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Mr.ED

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« on: December 22, 1999, 08:36:00 AM »
Hey leonid,

Have you or anyone else see the History Channel show called "Cosacks of the Air"

WOW! I was floored by the lack of knowlege I had on the eastern front. My ancestors had left the mother country by 1911 for the U.S.

It seem Stalin know weeks before the Krauts invaded. The Amercians, Brits & even a German defector told them.

The Russian Womens Corps was a great peice also. These Gals would fly low level wood and canvas bi-planes over the stalled front and bomb the pogies out of the Germans.
I guess it demoralized the Master race to find out mere females were kicking their butts!
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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 1999, 03:51:00 AM »
Mr.Ed:
Stalin knew what was going down, but he refused to believe it, because it was proof that he had erred seriously.  He kept hoping against hope that it was all just a big bluff, or something.  Of course, the Soviet military knew what was happening.  Heck, anybody with a pair of eyes could have seen the German aircraft that flew incessantly over Soviet airspace on recconnaisance missions.  And anybody stationed on the borders would have been concerned at all the activity occurring across the border.  VVS pilots were repeatedly denied permission to intercept German aircraft that entered Soviet airspace.  In fact, Stalin told his commanders to make sure that the border units were not in any sort of a war footing, because he didn't want to force the Germans' hand.

There was an all women fighter air regiment, 586 IAP, and another that flew the U-2 or Po-2, which was a biplane.  These women were called the 'Night Witches' by the Germans,and were mainly involved in night missions, dropping bombs, or flying in supplies to partisan.  The 'Night Witches' never lost a single pilot.

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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 1999, 08:31:00 AM »
leonid, if I recall it right, there was this women with 13 kills, more than any other women in world (her "wingwomen" had 9 kills ?) they were "586 IAP"?


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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 1999, 09:20:00 AM »
janneh,
Her name was L.Litvak.  She was initially assigned to the 586, but her skill got her transferred to several regular fighter air regiments.  She flew the La-5, but ended up in a Yak-1 regiment.  She was wounded badly on three separate occasions, and died at the age of 21.  

She was the only woman to receive the Gold Star as a fighter pilot, though unfortunately it took 50 years when the enlightened President Gorbachov awarded it to her postumously.

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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 1999, 10:12:00 AM »
In wars, meny men dies, it's awful, but when you hear or see a womens death, it's way more terrible...and in age 21...  
She must have been an exceptional, very brave women, <S>!

 

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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 1999, 10:23:00 AM »

She must have been very brave indeed.  How inspiring.  Thanks for sharing your knowledge of this history.

Merry Christmas!

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« Reply #6 on: December 24, 1999, 01:49:00 PM »
Ronni, You ever fly ? Checked You score, but there's nothing, now could it be another id ? You must have been up there online?  

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« Reply #7 on: December 24, 1999, 02:26:00 PM »
Janneh, come on. You know as well as I do that females are the bringers-forth and nurturers of life, not the takers of it.  I know if I were a girl I'd find this game abhorrent!  

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« Reply #8 on: December 24, 1999, 03:17:00 PM »
Litvyak is an interesting figure to study.  There's a lot of different stories about her in circulation.  I think it could be a really good movie subject.

An interesting site on Soviet women pilots:  http://pratt.edu/~rsilva/sovwomen.htm

Here's the entry on Litvyak from "Stalin's Falcons":
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Litvyak, Lidiya Vladimirovna, Mladshii Leitenant
'Lilya' Litvyak was born on 18 August 1922 in Moscow.  During 1937 her father was arrested during the repressions, and reportedly was tortured and executed.  Already a qualified pilot and instructor before the war, she was one of the first female volunteers for the Air Force, answering an appearl from the well-known aviatrix, Marina Raskova.  She graduated from the Kherson Military Air College, being posted as a Serzhant to the all-woman 586th IAP, which was employed in the air defense of Saratov.  Described as a petite and very feminine blonde, she was transferred with several others to Stalingrad in September 1942 to form an all-female group in the 6th IAD.  Here, flying a Yak 1 carrying the number '32' on the fuselage, she achieved considerable success, becoming the most successful of all female fighter pilots.  Subsequently she operated on the South West Front in the 3rd eskadrilya of the 296th IAP, where she flew frequently with Leitenant Alexei Solomatin.  During an action on 22 March 1943 she was wounded after claiming two victories, and was removed to hospital.  According to her mechanic, she was in love with Alexei Solomatin, and after he was killed during a training accident, she became interested only in flying at every opportunity.  She returned to the unit in May, and was then promoted Mladshii Leitenant.  Soon after this the regiment became the 73rd GuIAP.  During July 1943 she flew on the South Front.  On 16th of that month she flew on of six Yak 1s which intercepted 30 Ju 88s and six escorting Bf 109s, again claiming two vicotries, but being obliged to force-land, having again been slightly wounded.  On 1 August 1943 she claimed two victories during her third sortie of the day, one of them shared.  On her next flight she again claimed a Bf 109, but was attacked by another, and was seen by another pilot diving into cloud.  Thereafter her Yak 1M disappeared and was not seen again.  She had flown 168 sorties and claimed 16 victories (four shared) and one balloon.  It appears that she had crash-landed, but had died of wounds she had suffered, and was buried close by the aircraft by local people.  Her commanding officer prepared the necessary documents for the posthumous award of the Hero of the Soviet Union, but as she had simply disappeared and it was rumored that she might be a prisoner of the Germans, the award was not made.  In 1990, after many years of searching with a metal detector, her old mechanic, Starshii Serzhant Inna Pasportnikova, discovered her remains.  She was then reburied, and on 6 May 1990 President Mikhail Gorbachev signed the citation awarding her the Hero of the Soviet Union gold star, and the Order of Lenin.  In her lifetime her only award had been a single Order of the Red Banner.
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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 1999, 05:24:00 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: December 25, 1999, 12:18:00 PM »

Wow, Pyro, thanks for posting that information.  I think Ms. Lilya Litvyak's story would make a wonderful movie, too.


Janneh,

No, I really don't fly online because I stink and I get shot down too much.    I do, however, lurk in the arena on occasion.

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« Reply #11 on: December 26, 1999, 11:20:00 AM »
Thanks for the info Pyro, I'm gonna check it out.
I wear a P-51d hat to all fuctions I go to that has American Pilots wings pinned on the front, and WAC winggs on the back. I meet some real interesting pilots that way! I honor all WWII vets, to include my father the original "Mr.ED"

Blur, one of the highest bombing score pilots in AW3 was a gal, she flew in our bomb wing.
For some reason, she always made it to target!

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« Reply #12 on: December 26, 1999, 11:36:00 AM »
WoW! I just came back form reading that site, had me co-pilot come and read it also. We were moved.

Pyro, you know how in WB the P-51d has the 99th/332nd colors on it.

I think it would be fitting for HTC to put the White rose on the LA-5.

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« Reply #13 on: December 26, 1999, 04:41:00 PM »
wtg Pyro.  

There are many stories about her.  She was actually a very pretty girl, and quite petite.  Goes to show you looks mean nothing, but what's in the heart is all that counts.  I read that she was found buried beneath the wing of her Yakovlev.  This would make a wonderful movie.  We should petition some film people like Lucas, or Spielberg!  Whaddaya say, people, are you game?!

Pyro, you know you're gonna have to make the Yak-1 now  

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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 1999, 12:58:00 AM »
I believe it was a white lily, the germans thought it was a rose. And her plane was the Yak-1b (1b, is that the one?) She got very few of her kills in the La-5.
  But yes, if we get a Yak fighter I absolutly think that Nate&Superfly should consider putting on her markings.

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