Motorcycle helmet law?

[lazs2]

dago... you don't have a leg to stand on.  You are being a socialist liberal ban wussie.

I allready told you that your insurance did not go down when the the helmet and seatbelt laws went into effect... they won't go up when the laws are abolished..

I have my own medical insurance.   I cost a lot less tho  than the smokers and drinkers and fatso's no matter what.

How bout if you get hurt or sick for any reason that is your fault....  we put you down?   Sound fair?   If you drink or smoke or eat red meat... you need to be off the insurance roles.

When kalifornia said that there were thousands of brain dead bikers that were in comas and the state was paying for because they had not worn helmets... ABATE challenged them to give the exact number.

That exact number was zero.

What costs you money is people living long enough to get cancer or need transplants or to be on medication for the last 20 years of their life.

This has opened my eyes tho... you like your gun rights but you are still willing to ban anything that you feel is not the right behavior.   I knew such people existed but I never thought that they were gun owners.

cpx... have you ever rode an old Harley?   The new rice rockets are a lot of fun... guys at work make me ride theirs whenever they get the latest and fastest or add 50 hp to one.    they will wheelstand at 100 mph.

but...  unless you are on the brink of death... they are no fun to ride.   Old Harleys and such are just fun all the time... at any speed.   When I see a ninja guy on his daglo bike in his daglo outfit... I try not to stare because I know how embarassed he must be.

lazs

[bj229r]

When I see a ninja guy on his daglo bike in his daglo outfit... I try not to stare because I know how embarassed he must be.

[Jackal1]

LMAO

I should add that to my wish list above-----> Rice Rocket Rodeoers who look like Darth Vader in drag.  Yep, embarrassing.

Every time someone has brought up the " Whaaaaaaaa...it`s costing me money" whine, I get a visual of the toilet flushing...............on the final swirl.

[cpxxx]

Originally posted by MiloMorai
What, you like those fancied up m/c where the driver is putting it to the gas tank?

And your problem is?  You get twice the fun, extreme danger and sex;)

Ok Lazs, I'll allow that older Harleys are cool. It's just that all the newer Harleys I see are driven by guys aged about 65 who obviously have a Merc or a Lexus at home and are making up for their youth when all they could afford was a Honda CB175.

[Dago]

Come on lazs, how many smokers or overweight become vegtables or quadraplegic requiring state supported 24 hr medical care for life?  Dang near none.   While it is true they will have higher than average medical needs and expenses, it won't compare on a 1 to 1 basis with quadraplegics or vegetables.

And does insurance costs go down when helmet laws are put in effect?  Heck no, you ever see an insurance company or gas company want to reduce prices?  Only if forced by law.  But the vegtable or dead wannabees are an excuse to raise prices, that will never go down again.

Reality is, helmet laws are necessary to protect those without the common sense to protect themselves.

[lasersailor184]

4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.

[Dago]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.

And this is your way to admit you have nothing left to offer, can't argue, so you go personal.  You lose.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Dago
Come on lazs, how many smokers or overweight become vegtables or quadraplegic requiring state supported 24 hr medical care for life?  Dang near none.   While it is true they will have higher than average medical needs and expenses, it won't compare on a 1 to 1 basis with quadraplegics or vegetables.

And does insurance costs go down when helmet laws are put in effect?  Heck no, you ever see an insurance company or gas company want to reduce prices?  Only if forced by law.  But the vegtable or dead wannabees are an excuse to raise prices, that will never go down again.

Reality is, helmet laws are necessary to protect those without the common sense to protect themselves.

(You must admit Dago... it DOES look very socialist)

As for the first part:

Top 10 Causes of Death - US
1.Diseases of Heart 28.5%
2.Malignant Neoplasms (cancer) 22.8%
3.Cerebrovascular Diseases (stroke) 6.7%
4.Chronic Lower Respiratory Diseases 5.1%
5.Accidents 4.4%
Motor Vehicle Traffic Accidents (41% of all accidents)
Poisoning (16% of all accidents)
Fall (15% of all accidents) 6.Diabetes Mellitus 3.0%
7.Influenza and Pneumonia 2.7%
8.Alzheimer's Disease 2.4%
9.Nephritis, Nephrotic Syndrome and Nephrosis (kidney diseases) 1.7%
10.Septicemia (blood poisoning) 1.4%
---All Others 21.4%

http://www.statisticstop10.com/Caus...eath_in_US.html

Are you telling me that the few people each year that die/ get turned into veggies  from bike wrecks (let's say 1/3 of whom may NOT have with benefit of space helmet), eclipse self-inflicted heart disease and lung cancer, which make up some 30-40 TIMES MORE DEATHS?

[Dago]

Originally posted by bj229r
(You must admit Dago... it DOES look very socialist)

As for the first part:

Top 10 Causes of Death - US
1.Diseases of Heart 28.5%
2.Malignant Neoplasms (cancer) 22.8%
3.Cerebrovascular Diseases (stroke) 6.7%
4.Chronic Lower Respiratory Diseases 5.1%
5.Accidents 4.4%
Motor Vehicle Traffic Accidents (41% of all accidents)
Poisoning (16% of all accidents)
Fall (15% of all accidents) 6.Diabetes Mellitus 3.0%
7.Influenza and Pneumonia 2.7%
8.Alzheimer's Disease 2.4%
9.Nephritis, Nephrotic Syndrome and Nephrosis (kidney diseases) 1.7%
10.Septicemia (blood poisoning) 1.4%
---All Others 21.4%

http://www.statisticstop10.com/Caus...eath_in_US.html

Are you telling me that the few people each year that die/ get turned into veggies  from bike wrecks (let's say 1/3 of whom may NOT have with benefit of space helmet), eclipse self-inflicted heart disease and lung cancer, which make up some 30-40 TIMES MORE DEATHS?

Have you paid any attention to what I have been writing at all?????

I have been talking about brain destroying accident that leave someone in a vegetative state (with a nod to paralyzed also).  I am not talking about death.

What the heck does a top 10 list of causes of death have to do with what I have been discussing?

Here is some info closer to the discussion:

A blow or jolt to the head can result in a traumatic brain injury (TBI), which can disrupt the normal function of the brain. The severity of the injury may range from mild, a brief change in mental status or consciousness, to severe, an extended period of unconsciousness (30 minutes or more), prolonged amnesia after the injury, or a penetrating skull injury. Any TBI can result in short- and long-term disabilities (CDC unpublished).

#
# 80,000 to 90,000 people experience the onset of long-term or lifelong disability associated with a TBI.
 
At least 5.3 million Americans—2% of the U.S. population—currently live with disabilities resulting from TBI (Thurman 1999).
(This estimate is based on the number of people hospitalized with TBI each year and does not include people seen in Emergency Departments who were not admitted to the hospital, those seen in private doctor's offices, and those who do not receive medical care.)

Causes

    * The leading causes of TBI are vehicle crashes, firearm use, and falls (Thurman 1999).
       
    * Crashes involving motor vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, and recreational vehicles are the primary causes of TBI (Thurman 2001).

In the U.S. in 1995, direct and indirect costs of TBI totaled an estimated $56.3 billion (Thurman 2000).

Public health strategies to prevent future TBIs, reduce TBI-related disabilities, and improve outcomes of brain-injured persons include:

    * Increasing helmet use during recreation and sports activities (Thurman 1998).

Source - CDC

[Jackal1]

4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.

[Vudak]

This is way too long of a thread to read the whole way through, but I can tell you a few things in regard to the seatbelt issue thing, at least.

Having your seat belt on, and getting smacked with an airbag sucks.

Not having your seatbelt, not having an airbag, and flying into a windshield sucks even more.

If I had to repeat one of the two, I'd certainly choose the airbag.

I'd suggest buckling up...

[bagrat]

Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Motorcycle riders without helmets = organ donors.
Darwin's theory in practice.

u wanna talk about darwin theory, someone put there testicles in a ball washer an had there friend crank it, for a bet.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Dago
Have you paid any attention to what I have been writing at all?????

I have been talking about brain destroying accident that leave someone in a vegetative state (with a nod to paralyzed also).  I am not talking about death.

What the heck does a top 10 list of causes of death have to do with what I have been discussing?

Here is some info closer to the discussion:

 

Source - CDC

If you're in a 'extended living facility' via a brain-destroying accident, or a stroke/O.D.  brought on by poor living, what is the difference? I'll see if I can find something that breaks it down.

[Dago]

Originally posted by bj229r
If you're in a 'extended living facility' via a brain-destroying accident, or a stroke/O.D.  brought on by poor living, what is the difference? I'll see if I can find something that breaks it down.

There is a lot you haven't been able to see in this thread.

[Dago]

Originally posted by Jackal1
4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.  

Do you feel the level of risk is the same in a car versus on a motorcycle?  If you do, I don't think you have ever ridden.

In a car, you are required to wear a seatbelt.  That is very often all that is necessary to minimize serious injury.  Since I gather you may not have experience in a motorcycle, I will point out that they tend not to come with seatbelts, and wouldn't make a differance if they did.