Author Topic: Motorcycle helmet law? (Read 3268 times)

Dago · « **Reply #150 on:** August 13, 2006, 10:53:08 AM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
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I don't think you even know what a "socialist" is. I don't think you understand that term, you heard it elsewhere and thought you would use it. Pretty sure I never advocating the government control all goods, services and property.

Interesting that because I think and state that I believe riding a motorcycle without a helmet is stupid, and I think helmet laws are a good idea, I am now labeled a "socialist". I gather having an opinion and expressing it should not be allowed in a democratic republic like the USA, at least according to lasersailor.

Toad · « **Reply #151 on:** August 13, 2006, 11:06:39 AM »

I believe riding a motorcycle without a helmet is stupid, and I think helmet laws are a bad idea.

If you choose to ride without a helmet, well, that's your choice.

Insurance is required on cars and cycles and the insurance you choose (there's another one of your choices) should provide the coverage you desire and think you need.

If you crash and go vegetative, with or without a helmet, I don't see why the rest of our society should be responsible for caring for you like a favored houseplant for years on end.

If you want the very best of care in case you become a potted plant, then insure yourself accordingly.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #152 on:** August 13, 2006, 12:07:32 PM »

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Dago · « **Reply #153 on:** August 13, 2006, 12:14:01 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
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And again, how does that statement make me a socialist? Maybe you should try fascist? Wouldn't really fit either, but have fun.

bj229r · « **Reply #154 on:** August 13, 2006, 12:49:12 PM »

Ann wouldn't be in favor of socialist stuff;) (We had a big argument on this same subject on the ACOC forum when Rothlisberger got hurt..was a draw)

Jackal1 · « **Reply #155 on:** August 13, 2006, 01:42:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Dago
Do you feel the level of risk is the same in a car versus on a motorcycle? If you do, I don't think you have ever ridden.

The risk in riding comes from the car drivers. If you wish to lay blame and want to have some place to send a bill to, then do it right. It`s the cage drivers 99.9% of the time that cause the accidents to begin with.
Evidently you have a problem reading. I have ridden since I was big enough to touch the ground from the saddle. That`s been lots of years hoss.
Do you ride? Just curious.

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Since I gather you may not have experience in a motorcycle, I will point out that they tend not to come with seatbelts, and wouldn't make a differance if they did.

LMAO
Thanks professor.
I have seen more "infamous left turners"...."but....but...officer I didn`t see the motorcycle"......... "T-boners".....and other assorted bonehead cage drivers than I care to recall. Somehow I have survived without the help of a Nanny and those who bow to one. In one instance, with my bike wedged up under a idiot left turn artist, he waited until the Highway Patrol officer arrived, then pulled a knife on him. It was better than going to the movies.

Dago · « **Reply #156 on:** August 13, 2006, 01:53:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Jackal1

Do you ride? Just curious.

I don't have bike right now, but thinking about getting another one. Last one I totaled, and I have a banged up full face Bell on the shelf behind me as a reminder.

Why do you ignore the facts I present? Why do you ignore the differance of risk of a head injury between motorcycle and car as I mentioned, and instead try to shift the focus to accident fault? There is a huge differance in risk of injury between a car crash and a motorcycle crash, regardless of fault.

This thread has never been about who's fault an accident is, it is about the reality of the chance of head injury and the need versus right to choose regarding helmet use.

Why did you try to obscure with talk of fault?

Jackal1 · « **Reply #157 on:** August 13, 2006, 02:04:22 PM »

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bj229r · « **Reply #158 on:** August 13, 2006, 02:06:55 PM »

I don't think anyone disputes the fact that it is safer to wear a helmet than not, futhermore that it is MORE safe not to ride a bike at all, that it is safer to drive a Caddy than a Morris, to live in a 1 story home away from tornado alley/hurricane alley, to be fit intstead of being 100 pounds overweight, to not smoke etc.... But at what point does the government make these decisions for you?

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #159 on:** August 13, 2006, 05:43:21 PM »

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john9001 · « **Reply #160 on:** August 13, 2006, 08:20:03 PM »

brain trauma;
Concussion -; Brain injury; Head trauma
Definition

A head injury is any trauma that leads to injury of the scalp, skull, or brain. These injuries can range from a minor bump on the skull to a devastating brain injury.

Head injury can be classified as either closed or penetrating. In a closed head injury, the head sustains a blunt force by striking against an object. A concussion is a type of closed head injury that involves the brain.

In a penetrating head injury, an object breaks through the skull and enters the brain. (This object is usually moving at a high speed like a windshield or another part of a motor vehicle.)

In a closed head injury, the head sustains a blunt force by striking against an object. A concussion is a type of closed head injury that involves the brain."

helmet hits object, skull hits helmet, brain hits skull=concussion.

no helmet made will protect your brain against a concussion/closed head injury.

lukster · « **Reply #161 on:** August 13, 2006, 08:34:35 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
no helmet made will protect your brain against a concussion/closed head injury.

I have to disagree, every helmet I ever wore had a liner which was designed to absorb the impact upon the shell distributing it to your skull over time and possibly a broader area.

I started riding when I was young and let a buddy drive mine with me on the back into the side of a car at about 45 mph. I hit the car with my helmet where the doors meet the roof and then flipped over the roof landing on the curb about 20 feet away. My helmet was deeply scarred but the only injury I suffered was a broken heel and some scrapes.

john9001 · « **Reply #162 on:** August 13, 2006, 08:46:36 PM »

your brain floats inside your skull in fluid, when your skull suddenly stops moving ( hits the inside of the helmet) the brain keeps moving until it hits the skull causing a concussion.

that is how a boxer gets "knocked out".

lukster · « **Reply #163 on:** August 13, 2006, 08:48:55 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
your brain floats inside your skull in fluid, when your skull suddenly stops moving ( hits the inside of the helmet) the brain keeps moving until it hits the skull causing a concussion.

that is how a boxer gets "knocked out".

The liner is what makes your brain stop moving less suddenly.

Try wearing one in a boxing match, less likely to be knoocked out.

Dago · « **Reply #164 on:** August 13, 2006, 09:24:57 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
At the point of my .30-06 they will stop.

The fact that you think it's right to legislate away other people's choices, makes you a socialist. What's even scarier is that you don't even think that you are one.

So tell us Dago. Which scares you most?

The idea that you might be a socialist?

Or the idea that you might be labeled as one?

I gather you still haven't bothered to learn what a socialist really is. Keep foaming, its amusing.