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[Shuckins]

Well Momus, you've been called to task yourself for clinging to your own distortions during the last week.

Al-Husseini actively collaborated with the Nazis, and masterminded the massacre of the Jews in the Balkans.  There is not doubt what-so-ever about that.

You haven't disproved these assertions.  You've just side-tracked the debate by mentioning other people who courted the Nazis.  But not all of them practiced genocide.

Refute the statements I have made.  Prove that the Grand Mufti did not do what every Allied nation believed he was guilty of doing.  Had he not escaped, he would have been tried and hung, and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

And the connection between Husseini and the dictators of the middle east is not tenuous.  The man was extremely active in helping to form much of the political policies of the muslim nations of the middle east.

The Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry's report dated April 20, 1946 says:  "The flight of the Mufti, to Italy and Germany, and his active support of the Axis, did not lose for him his following, and he is probably the most popular Arab leader in Palestine today."

A Yassar Arafat interview conducted by the Arabic language newspaper Al Sharq al-Awsat stated:

Interviewer:  "I have heard voices from within the Palestinian authority in the past few weeks, saying that the reforms are coordinated according to American whims..."

Arafat:  "We are not Afghanistan!  We are the mighty people!.  Were they able to replace our hero Hajj Amin al-Husseini?  There a number of attempts to get rid of Hajj Amin, whom they considered an ally of the Nazis.  But even so, he lived in Cairo, and participated in the 1948 war, and I was one of his troops."

John Marlowe stated:  "The dominant figure in Palestine during the Mandate years was neither an Egyptian nor a Jew, but an Arab, Hajj Amin Muhammed al-Husseini...able, ambitious, ruthless, humourless, and incorruptible, he was the authentic stuff of which dictators are made."

[Momus--]

Originally posted by Shuckins
Well Momus, you've been called to task yourself for clinging to your own distortions during the last week.

Actually no. I pointed out a number of innacuracies in your posts in this thread.  You then either backtracked or waffled.  What did I distort?

Al-Husseini actively collaborated with the Nazis, and masterminded the massacre of the Jews in the Balkans.  There is not doubt what-so-ever about that.

And where did I deny that?

Refute the statements I have made.  Prove that the Grand Mufti did not do what every Allied nation believed he was guilty of doing.  Had he not escaped, he would have been tried and hung, and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

That's a great straw man you're attacking. The point I made was that even certain jews were willing to deal with the Nazi's, because it suited their own political agenda, just like Al-Husseini.  It is relevant in this context because it demonstrates that elements on the side whose cause you are trying to advance would have also dealt with the nazis if given the chance to advance their agenda thus.

And the connection between Husseini and the dictators of the middle east is not tenuous.  The man was extremely active in helping to form much of the political policies of the muslim nations of the middle east.

No. You are overstating his post war influence massively. After WW2 he was a spent force. The Arab League rejected most if not all of his proposals on Palestine as well as taking his military away from him. No arab state wanted to fund him, and he was banned from returning to Jersulaem by the Jordanians.

John Marlowe stated:  "The dominant figure in Palestine during the Mandate years was neither an Egyptian nor a Jew, but an Arab, Hajj Amin Muhammed al-Husseini...able, ambitious, ruthless, humourless, and incorruptible, he was the authentic stuff of which dictators are made."

The arab dictatorships to which you refer actually took shape at least one or two decades after the period you are describing. Yes, Al-Husseini was popular in palestine both pre and immediately post-ww2, but you are mistaking personal popularity with political power. After the war when Nasser emerged in Egypt and the Ba'athists in Iraq and Syria, his influence over events and policy amounted to little if nothing. Arab leaders who wished to invoke the cause of palestinian liberation paid him lip service to further their personal agendas, but nothing more. The fact is that the mufti was actually only a minor influence on the Arab Nationalism that characterised the post-war regimes.

Figures like Michel Aflaq, Salah al-Din al-Bitar and Sati al-Husri along with Nasser himself were hugely more influential in this regard than Al-Husseini. The sources you draw on are inflating Al-Husseini's influence because of his nazi connections, whilst disregarding other more significant influences of a less lurid nature.

That's why they're just propaganda.

[SirLoin]

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