Author Topic: Low Ranked Pilots (Read 2988 times)

Blixen · « **Reply #45 on:** August 12, 2006, 09:15:15 AM »

am i a well known mouth?

bj229r · « **Reply #46 on:** August 12, 2006, 09:15:46 AM »

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Originally posted by FALCONWING
3) fiter scoring is messed up imho...high k:d ratios which require patience and survival skills screw you up because your points and kills/hour and kills/sortie are horrible. therefore to get a good fiter score you are rewarded by simply upping into furballs and spraying away. you will improve 3 categories vs 1. would like to see k/d weighted more.

It DOES seem to reward the up-a-niki/ki/spit-drive-2 min to fight...get 3-4kills and die crowd

karayaone88 · « **Reply #47 on:** August 12, 2006, 09:20:56 AM »

I for one have learned a lot from dueling...mostly how to bail correctly. 99% of the people there and in the MA are helpfull to low rankers like myself.

toon · « **Reply #48 on:** August 12, 2006, 10:33:18 AM »

yes twin , you are;) lets you and i go to the da so you can give me a lesson on how to make your twinboom into one boom. id appreciate it if youre able.

Howitzer · « **Reply #49 on:** August 13, 2006, 12:39:32 AM »

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Originally posted by FALCONWING
my 2 cents...

1) in order to have a low rank you have to be scoring in all categories
2) many low rank pilots are getting their rank by using vehicles/bombers and are not scoring with fiters
3) fiter scoring is messed up imho...high k:d ratios which require patience and survival skills screw you up because your points and kills/hour and kills/sortie are horrible. therefore to get a good fiter score you are rewarded by simply upping into furballs and spraying away. you will improve 3 categories vs 1. would like to see k/d weighted more.
4) i have a low score but it is mainly because im in a squad that runs all different missions and that seems to affect all categories. since i dont gv (tank town) or buff except for captures i do use the old "rockets into a town" and ju87s into a factory technique to offset all the deaths and lack of damage that i get penalized for by trying to sneak goons and m3s into towns. again i would love to see captures weighted as they are more often unsuccessful then not.

so as you are suggesting...scoring is bs...most low raked pilots are not "fiter aces" and often they are team players who are getting scoring in all categories that droop their rank. these guys probably are more interested in ma battles then going to the da.

i like the da..have learned alot in there (ty creton and skyrock)...but really the guy with more experience in there will win as he/she has mastered merges that almost never occur in the ma. so im not sure what it proves...there are guys i can smoke in the da that i dont like to see in ma fights because they are better when the variables (speed..e...alt) are not equal:aok

What you mention about weighting K/D more is exactly the reason he can't get any of the top ranked fighter pilots in there. If you are a top ranked pilot you know good and well that a way to get a good K/D is to never go against anyone better than you, and never attack without a clear alt/speed advantage.

Makes for a slow arena with very timid pilots, much like it looks like now. =)

One other thing to mention here... you say that all K/H entails is flying into furballs and spraying away. I would say that guys like vudak, wetrat, kappa, levi, and quite a few others don't up into equal odds fights at all. Most of the time it is their one plane against 5+ enemies, and they keep killing until they run out of ammo. That is how they get their K/H up...

stantond · « **Reply #50 on:** August 13, 2006, 09:18:39 PM »

I have some questions about dueling and altitude. Why a 4k cap? Is that 4k above the current terrain, or 4k absolute? Also, does that mean you climb to 7k then dive to 4k for the initiation of the duel? Not that these questions are really important, Just curious.

Regards,

Malta

Vudak · « **Reply #51 on:** August 13, 2006, 10:37:56 PM »

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Originally posted by stantond
I have some questions about dueling and altitude. Why a 4k cap? Is that 4k above the current terrain, or 4k absolute? Also, does that mean you climb to 7k then dive to 4k for the initiation of the duel? Not that these questions are really important, Just curious.

Regards,

Malta

Oh, 4k is just what we agree on before the match. You could set up anything, really. Some people do 3k, 5k, 7k, whatever.

And as far as the other part, I've always understood the alt limit to mean "You are at [4]k by the time icons show up. After and before that, whatever."

Chalenge · « **Reply #52 on:** August 13, 2006, 10:50:00 PM »

Vudak · « **Reply #53 on:** August 13, 2006, 10:58:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Chalenge
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Kinda thought that was going to be a good one

Mister Fork · « **Reply #54 on:** August 14, 2006, 12:16:56 AM »

Why don't you MA fairies try the AvA arena if you want some decent duals? Not that the AvA is for the timid...

drkorf · « **Reply #55 on:** August 14, 2006, 04:32:24 AM »

The high/low rank terminology is confusing. The use of low rank meaning numerically low is strange. Who is the highest ranking tennis player, for example? The one at the top. The #1 player. He/she isn't the lowest ranked player. That would be the person at the bottom. A ranking is a sorted list with 1 at the top.

I too find the ranking forumla a little strange. RTB seems too undervalued. K/S and K/D are also important, but if you don't survive, what's the point? I think landings per sortie is a useful metric. It's hard to simultaneously optimize landings per sortie and kills per sortie. I've been thinking about it a little, and the scoring system I like is (K/D + K/S) * (L/S). I prefer this to the Yak and Avin system used by the WB crowd and also to the AH system.

Another metric that might be fun to see is perks/kill. I'm not as impressed with someone having a 5:1 kill:death ratio in a Tempest as compared to someone who does it in a P40. Perks/kill to me is "style points".

BugsBunny · « **Reply #56 on:** August 14, 2006, 10:31:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Mister Fork
Why don't you MA fairies try the AvA arena if you want some decent duals? Not that the AvA is for the timid...

Just a guess, but maybe it is because they don't like the gangbanging cherry picking ho run mentality of the regulars there.

indy007 · « **Reply #57 on:** August 14, 2006, 10:58:18 AM »

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Originally posted by drkorf
Another metric that might be fun to see is perks/kill. I'm not as impressed with someone having a 5:1 kill:death ratio in a Tempest as compared to someone who does it in a P40. Perks/kill to me is "style points".

I'll agree it's cool to see somebody in an early war ride that just rocks in it.

Flipside of that, it's not hard for a perk farmer to up an early war ride and head to a vulch. Plenty of moderate to high ENY aircraft to do it in. You could do it, I could do it. Doesn't mean we're crap pilots. It just means crap pilots can up early war rides and land a bunch of "kills" by knowing where to be @ the right time.

Planned "correctly", I could easily land over 200 kills in.. well... anything. Doesn't mean I'm teh ub3r l337 pilot. Just means I'm a dweeb with alot of newly acquired perks.

Edbert1 · « **Reply #58 on:** August 14, 2006, 11:26:15 AM »

Don't make the mistake of assuming a low rank means they can't DA. There's many a DA killer out there who gives a rodent's posterior about score or landing kills. I know a couple in the 2,000s who are easily top 5%-ers in a duel.

I guess what I am saying is that in game rank is a poor indicator of one's actual skill in a duel.

Vudak · « **Reply #59 on:** August 14, 2006, 11:34:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Edbert1
Don't make the mistake of assuming a low rank means they can't DA. There's many a DA killer out there who gives a rodent's posterior about score or landing kills. I know a couple in the 2,000s who are easily top 5%-ers in a duel.

I guess what I am saying is that in game rank is a poor indicator of one's actual skill in a duel.

Eh, I should have been more clear. I was getting at low as in ranked 1-100, not 4000-2000 (or whatever).

I'm sure there are a ton of low (my definition) pilots who can do some serious damage in the DA. But I've run into my fair share of guys who just run, maybe doing a slight little jink. Even if I'm in the faster plane. Then when the inevitable happens, they up a Lala and start Hoing away, to get their "revenge."

Then you also have the guys who will run, run, run, and will only turn when you give up and go after someone that has a bit more tenacity.

Basically I'm saying I feel as though there are at least a few 1-100 ranked pilots who, pretty much, are god awful. Or at least that's the impression I get, seeing as how I don't see them trying. (I'm talking situations where it's only me and him, no one around to worry about getting picked by, etc.)

Then you ask them (politely) if they'd like to go to the DA, and they (the god awful ones) all seem to refuse. They must think that their cover will be blown and people will realize their rank means nothing. Newsflash, it already has.