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Offline midnight Target

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« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2006, 10:16:45 PM »
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Moore is preliminary evidence that the Democrats have not forgotten how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

This mid-term election and probably the '08 Presidential should be a cakewalk for the Dems. Should be.

However, it seems when they realize this, they drag out every nutbag idea, extremist viewpoint and crazy proposal and parade it down mainstreet under their "NOW IS THE TIME!" banner.

Which, of course, shocks the heck out of any "swing" voters that were thinking of voting Democratic.

If they can keep their Loony Lefties, like Moore, in check they'll have an easy time of it.

If they unlock the asylum, they may have trouble.


If moore is "evidence" of anything democratic then coulter is evidence of the problem with the republican party. Both prospects seem pretty silly to me.

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« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2006, 10:19:26 PM »
Elfie, salute to you and your son.  :aok






If the Dems follow their old pattern, they'll pander to their radical left, alienating middle-Americans, and end up committing political seppuku.

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« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2006, 10:23:54 PM »
They didn't pander to the left last election, they allowed the reps to set the agenda and make it sound like the dems were pandering to the left.. big difference.

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« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2006, 10:56:00 PM »
If the Dems allowed the Republicans to set the agenda and thereby lost the election then why should we trust them to lead the nation?  

It's the same old tired refrain we hear after every recent election:  We didn't lose...we were blind-sided.

The last time I checked, the playing field was still level.  It just appears that one team appears to benefit from a better game plan and coaching.

Both candidates in 2004 ran good campaigns and both are decent men.  Yet there was plenty of mud thrown by their supporters.  Kerry's war record and Bush's Nation Guard record were shamelessly dragged out by their enemies and trashed publicly.

There was no merit to the charges made in either case.

The Dems lost not because of dirty tricks, but because they failed to frame the debate.  The war issue fell flat, and the economy was never really an issue.

Lastly, the Dems failed to muzzle outspoken radicals, such as Michael Moore, who hurt their chances to make inroads into Republican stronghold areas such as the South and Mid-West, where Moore's antics did not play well.

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« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2006, 10:57:18 PM »
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If moore is "evidence" of anything democratic then coulter is evidence of the problem with the republican party. Both prospects seem pretty silly to me.


Moore is the defacto leader of a VERY large organization, who just rightly pointed out that he has the power to remove elected officials from office whom he doesnt like--Ann Coulter is just a columnist, like Maureen Dowd, and commands noone.
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« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2006, 11:00:23 PM »
Shuckins, you realize I hope that you just said the same thing I said only with a lot more words.
:)

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« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2006, 11:12:18 PM »
Welp, I'm kinda tired, so I may have misinterpreted what ya said.  :)

I interpreted your post to mean that the Dems did not pander to the left.  

Failing to muzzle that fat head Moore and some of the bubble-brains in Hollywood seemed to suggest that the DNC gave tacit approval to what they were saying;  and hurt them in the election.

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« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2006, 11:54:18 PM »
What's this about Moore? Exactly how is he relevant here besides being some kind of bogeyman to the right wingers?

He's got nothing to do with the DNC and besides, Lieberman was the DSCC's boy wonder, not the DNC's.... and the DSCC could implode for all I care. It's nice though that they're now backing Lamont, but none of this has anything to do with Moore.

I've watched this race brewing since Lamont first tentatively threw his hat in the ring, where he said that if he could get 1,000 people to pledge to volunteer, he'd run. About a month later he had those 1,000 volunteers and was off to the races. In all those months, I've honestly never ever heard Moore's name mentioned. He had nothing to do with this.

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Moore is the defacto leader of a VERY large organization, who just rightly pointed out that he has the power to remove elected officials from office whom he doesnt like..." - b222r


..... is nuts.

And while Iraq was a HUGE deal in the CT election and rightfully so, it was not the extent of it. Lieberman tried to give a pass to Bush's rejigging of Social Security which the vast majority of Americans dissaproved of; he voted against cloture on Alito (the only vote that counted) then bragged about having voted against Alito when by then his vote was meaningless; he had the nerve to tell the Democrats to shut up and fall in line behind Bush, he practically rolled over and played dead in his VP debates with Cheney... and it goes on and on.

And I'll tell you what. The Democrats didn't appreciate any of it, and they made their feelings known on Tuesday.

And that's democracy for ya.

It is something else to watch some of you right wingers on this BBS try and say what is best for the Democratic party. As if you know or care. And you were joined in your support for Lieberman by Hannity, Malkin, Coulter, Rove....  

Thanks for the thoughtful advice, but no thanks.

90% of the Democratic party is against this war. 60% of Americans are against this war. That means that only somewhere between 30%-40% approve of it. Guess what? That's exactly where Bush's approval ratings sit. Those are frightening numbers for Republicans - and if you don't think that the dissaproval is now firmly a mainstream sentiment, and if you don't think it's a perfectly viable campaign issue, then I think that you're off of your rocker and need to get some perspective on it outside of blaming Moore.

Specifically wrt to CT, when 90% of Democrats including Lamont are against the war, but Lieberman is for it - what did you expect?

And to tie this to Moore? That's insane....  Defies logic.

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« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2006, 01:07:52 AM »
Elfie just keep praying for his safety...
Prayers..they do work, ask my Mom.  <<>>>

Your're a good Mom.

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« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2006, 01:22:20 AM »
What's amazing is that there are politicians who HAVEN'T denounced the disaster in Iraq.  It boggles the mind.

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« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2006, 02:02:08 AM »
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... However, it seems when they realize this, they drag out every nutbag idea, extremist viewpoint and crazy proposal and parade it down mainstreet under their "NOW IS THE TIME!" banner.

Which, of course, shocks the heck out of any "swing" voters that were thinking of voting Democratic.

If they can keep their Loony Lefties, like Moore, in check they'll have an easy time of it.


Nevermind for a minute that it's only the right wingers who seem to pay any serious attention to Moore (evidence to the contrary is welcomed).

I'd like to hear more about the gist of your post if you don't mind:

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However, it seems when they realize this, they drag out every nutbag idea, extremist viewpoint and crazy proposal and parade it down mainstreet under their "NOW IS THE TIME!" banner.


What are these exactly?

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« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2006, 04:03:06 AM »
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As if you know or care.



There you go again, making blanket and foolish remarks about us conservatives.

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« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2006, 09:05:04 AM »
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As often said, the Democrats need to find an agenda. Maybe the have. Maybe the war in Iraq is "the issue".

Bush and the GOP won because they were more trusted to handle security issues than the Democrats.

The Democrats can't change the subject or try to shift the attention to economic, environmental or any other of their weak assed "key issues". Maybe they realize it. Maybe they are going to grow some balls and take national security head on without being wishy washy or vague or ambiguous.

We'll soon see.   - Sandman



Not that I care :), but I think it would be a major mistake for the liberal party(s) to latch onto the war in Iraq as their defining campaign platform "issue", no matter what the polls say.  

The party that can get a handle on the "War on Islamists" will resonate more with the average American... and with the entire world.  (The term "War on Terror" is a PC term that is a misnomer as far as I'm concerned.  It confuses people as to what we are really dealing with.)
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« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2006, 09:14:11 AM »
nash.. why is moore relevant here?

open your eyes canada boy.

The problem for democrats is that so many americans (you know.. the ones who vote) see the democrat party as the party of moore.   that, to them..... moore is the party... the smug, fat, city dwelling slob who looks down his food stained chins at everyone else.

And why shouldn't they?   Every high profile democrat politico was standing in line to get their pic taken next to that lieing slob.

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« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2006, 10:13:14 AM »
Actually, it's more like 35% or less of Americans that think that Democrats are the party of Moore. And you just happen to be one of them.

Nice try though.