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« Reply #45 on: August 11, 2006, 10:27:13 AM »
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Actually, it's more like 35% or less of Americans that think that Democrats are the party of Moore.

I don't claim to have accurate demographics, so I wont argue. But it is clear that Moore thinks "the Democrats are the party of Moore", and them putting him in the box-o-honor at their national convention did little to disuade his beleifs on the matter.

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« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2006, 10:31:48 AM »
dream on Nash. Just because Bush failed and disappointed many of us (thus low approval rates), does not mean that those disappointed will go to dems. It would not be out of the question in principle, but not with the horrible candidates they promote and even more horrible agenda.

I just could not force myself to vote for Bush last election, but Kerry was even less acceptable choice. Neither of them got my vote and it looks like neither party will get my vote in 2008.

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« Reply #47 on: August 11, 2006, 10:59:19 AM »
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dream on Nash. Just because Bush failed and disappointed many of us (thus low approval rates), does not mean that those disappointed will go to dems. It would not be out of the question in principle....


You dream on, Mietla.

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An Associated Press-Ipsos poll conducted this week found the president's approval rating has dropped to 33 percent, matching his low in May. His handling of nearly every issue, from the Iraq war to foreign policy, contributed to the president's decline around the nation, even in the Republican-friendly South.

More sobering for the GOP are the number of voters who backed Bush in 2004 who are ready to vote Democratic in the fall's congressional elections - 19 percent.


I don't know where you get some of these ideas, but a source would be good. Or is it just wishful thinking with some of you guys?

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« Reply #48 on: August 11, 2006, 11:58:19 AM »
They said the same thing in 2003 nash. As it turned out, more people defected from the dems.

Polls don't mean ****. If the dems try to offer up another Kerry and continue bashing the "religious wackos", they're going to lose again.

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« Reply #49 on: August 11, 2006, 12:04:05 PM »
Nash has never been right when it comes to American politics so why should now be any different?

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« Reply #50 on: August 11, 2006, 12:37:37 PM »
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They said the same thing in 2003 nash. As it turned out, more people defected from the dems.

Polls don't mean ****. If the dems try to offer up another Kerry and continue bashing the "religious wackos", they're going to lose again.


Weren't we talking about the November election/primaries, MiniD?

However, I'd like to see your source regarding what "they said" in 2003, because I can't recall the Dems having any significant lead during that time, nor do I remember any significant Democratic defection. I don't believe you.

While you're at it, could you also show me where any Democratic candidate bashed the "religious wackos" because I've not seen that either, and again I just don't believe you.

Or would you rather I just take your word for this stuff?

Mightyboy - shades, huh? Besides Kerry (which took until the next day to finally decide), name one thing I've been wrong about.

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« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2006, 06:10:15 PM »
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What are these exactly?


For example, if we see the Democratic Gay Pride parade, I think you'll know what I'm talking about.

If we see amnesty for illegals, I think you'll know what I'm talking about.

If we see raise taxes on the rich, where the rich means the top 50% of all taxpayers that already pay 85%+ of all taxes, I think you'll know what I'm talking about.

If we see cut the defense budget, I think you'll know what I'm talking about.

If we see equivocation in the anti-terrorist effort and talk of negotiating with terrorists, I think you'll know what I'm talking about.

And no one in the Democratic Partly listens to Moore?

We're talking about the Michale Moore that was honored by Jimmy Carter at the Democratic Party convention?



Moore isn't popular with the people the Democrats need to win over.

When he yaks off with threats to Democrats like this one

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To every Democratic Senator and Congressman who continues to back Bush’s War, allow me to inform you that your days in elective office are now numbered. Myself and tens of millions of citizens are going to work hard to actively remove you from any position of power.

If you don’t believe us, give Joe a call.


he's not helping the Democrats gain new voters. If the Dem's allow themselves to become the party of Moore, they're shooting themselves in the foot again.
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

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« Reply #52 on: August 11, 2006, 06:30:50 PM »
Once again you give waaay too much importance to Moore. Nobody is talking about Moore except for Moore and the right wingers who need scapegoats like Moore.

Show me the multitude of op-ed pieces where Moore is mentioned. Show me where he's turning up on the Sunday morning shows. Show me where he gets mentioned in the MSM regarding or having anything to do with the Lieberman/Lamont race. You won't be able to because, once again, Moore had nothing to do with this race. Period.

Now regarding your answer to my question - you didn't answer it.

You said:

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it seems when they realize this, they drag out every nutbag idea, extremist viewpoint and crazy proposal and parade it down mainstreet under their "NOW IS THE TIME!" banner.


I asked you for examples of this, and all you offered were warnings or predictions. If the Democratic platform is so nutbag, so extreme and so crazy - why can't you give me examples of the nutbag, extreme and crazy things that the Democrats drag out and parade down mainstreet?

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« Reply #53 on: August 11, 2006, 07:03:31 PM »
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Now regarding your answer to my question - you didn't answer it.


why can't you give me examples of the nutbag, extreme and crazy things that the Democrats drag out and parade down mainstreet?


I did. Why can't  you see that?

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For example, if we see the Democratic Gay Pride parade, I think you'll know what I'm talking about.

If we see amnesty for illegals, I think you'll know what I'm talking about.

If we see raise taxes on the rich, where the rich means the top 50% of all taxpayers that already pay 85%+ of all taxes, I think you'll know what I'm talking about.

If we see cut the defense budget, I think you'll know what I'm talking about.  

If we see equivocation in the anti-terrorist effort and talk of negotiating with terrorists, I think you'll know what I'm talking about.
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« Reply #54 on: August 11, 2006, 07:11:56 PM »
I think you're just being obtuse about Moore.

He's feted at the Democratic convention. Do you think that might just possibly make folks think he's a treasured part of the party?

His threat to the rest of the Democrats after Lieberman/lamont is already well-known. How do you think threats like that play to the undecideds?
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« Reply #55 on: August 11, 2006, 08:40:22 PM »
'feted' means he had a seat in the audience?

I thought feted meant something else?



like celebrated ... only I don't remember that happening? do you?

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« Reply #56 on: August 11, 2006, 09:05:12 PM »
Well, you tell me.

IIRC, Jimmy walked up to Moore, gave him a warm handshake and then sat next to him for the duration of Bill Clinton's speech to the convention. All of this on national TV with a pretty large audience. I believe he was invited to the skybox by Carter?

Didn't Moore speak at a forum with Howard Dean and Jesse Jackson in Boston during the Kerry campaign? It was the Campaign for America's Future "Take Back America" event. Moore was an invited speaker.

So how could anyone identify Moore with the Democrats and vice versa? Especially after his threat was in ~350 newspapers in a syndicated column?
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« Reply #57 on: August 11, 2006, 10:52:13 PM »
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I did. Why can't  you see that?


Why can't I see that a bunch of "if's" isn't an answer?

You said "they drag out every nutball [et al] idea." But you didn't tell me which nutball ideas the Democrats drag out. You just said:

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For example, if we see the Democratic Gay Pride parade, I think you'll know what I'm talking about.

If we see amnesty for illegals, I think you'll know what I'm talking about.

If we see raise taxes on the rich, where the rich means the top 50% of all taxpayers that already pay 85%+ of all taxes, I think you'll know what I'm talking about.

If we see cut the defense budget, I think you'll know what I'm talking about.

If we see equivocation in the anti-terrorist effort and talk of negotiating with terrorists, I think you'll know what I'm talking about.


I'll tell you what. The Republicans drag out every nutball extremist idea of their own. What are these? Well, for example, if you see monkeys flying out of your ass, then I think you'll know what I'm talking about.

Comprende?

And what exactly is the "Democratic Gay Pride parade?" I've never heard of that before. Is that anything like the Republican KKK parade?

Nice touch.

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« Reply #58 on: August 11, 2006, 11:16:35 PM »
To the majority of Americans, Moore represents the radical left wing of the Democratic Party.  That is beyond debate and accepted as fact even by most Democrats.

Whether or not the Democrats adopt a radical agenda as part of their platform in the upcoming elections is another matter.

Letting the political campaign become dominated by a far left agenda is fraught with peril for the Dems.  Most moderate Democrats realize this and attempt to distance themselves from them, but the radical left is extremely vocal, and adopts an in-your-face style of confrontation that many middle-Americans find repugnant.

With a Congress split between a Republican controlled Senate and a Democratically controlled House, Bill Clinton adopted a leftist agenda in 1993;  gun-control, gutting the military budget, gays in the military, increased taxation, and a number of others.  

The gun-control bill, pushed through Congress despite warnings from members of his own party, literally blew up in his face.  This and other things, broke the iron grip the Democrats had had on the House for almost fifty years.

In every election since that time, Democrats have fought desperately to rid themselves of the reputation of being dominated by their radicals.  

Fair or not, that is how many middle-of-the-road Americans perceive them.

Adopting opposition to the war in Iraq may be issue that yields control of Congress to them...but they had better approach it cautiously, for if they don't watch how they handle it it could backfire on them.

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« Reply #59 on: August 11, 2006, 11:23:36 PM »
You know, nash, I didn't participate in the "when you going to post a link" witch hunt a few days ago when you seemingly refused to back statements and panned them off as facts you were too busy to prove. I find it funny how quickly you go to the same card.

Every dem I know of insisted people would realize how stupid the republicans were and vote for kerry. Everyone except the religious wackos. They'd stay republican. The democratic party had no idea how many of their own were religious wackos too.