Bush approval rating at 33%

[Kurt]

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[kamilyun]

Originally posted by ujustdied
if you were the president and some 1 killed 3,000 men and wemon kids and all WTF would u have done. hell id would have done the samething. go over there and get thoughs ppl in line.

I hope you are refering to Afghanistan where Al Queda set up shop.  We had every right to kick butt there.  We did a pretty good job until we diluted ourselves.

I hope you are NOT refering to Iraq where 2000+ MORE Americans have died
to prevent civil war,
I mean fight an insurgency,
I mean make a democracy,
I mean get WMDs,
I mean capture Saddam.

And don't call this liberal propoganda.  I'm from a military family and hate to see poor planning and over-confidence by politicians get servicemen killed.  Glad my brother isn't there now and I feel for the families of servicemen who are.

The sad thing is:  Pulling out from Iraq now would create another vacuum like Afghanistan in the 90's.  Al Queda (doubt it b/c they are Sunni) or other groups (more likely Shi'a) will set up shop there and plan attacks on the West and Israel perhaps with aide from Iran.  

So, while I did not like the invasion of Iraq, I realize we have to stay now for freakin forever until they decide to give up violence.  Any bets on how many more Americans will die there? Mr. Bush



Edit:  LOL the filter took out my spelling of S-h-i-i-t-e muslims (now using Shi'a) and gave me *****e.  It's perhaps an appropriate description of some of their more fanatical members.

[Pongo]

Him or Johnson.
In our life times anyway.

[Yeager]

I give bush a passing grade.  Maybe even a C+, although I freely admit my disappointment in his prevalent medeocrity.

The war being fought in Iraq right now is the most important war since the defeat of the axis powers in WW2.  I dont expect it to succeed.....too many people will prefer the short term gain of withdrawing prematurely over the long term sacrifice of succeeding.

I dont care really, whatever happens will happen.  I just hope I get a chance to pop off a few rounds before Im finished.

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by Pongo
Him or Johnson.
In our life times anyway.

Johnson had a higher body count by an order of magnitude.  
But Dubya is the worst since him.

[Vudak]

I believe that we could have handled this whole thing much differently.  Does anyone remember the massive support practically the ENTIRE WORLD gave us after 9/11?

Squandered.  Completely squandered.  

And for what, really?  To go into Iraq.

Ok, I GET that we are fighting terrorists in a sandbox in Iraq instead of in our own backyard, and that IS GOOD.

BUT, we COULD have been fighting these terrorists in a sandbox in Syria, or Iran, AND probably been able to convince at least a good portion of the world that it was justified.  At the very least, we'd have a much stronger case then we ever did with Iraq.

Now, this is just my opinion, and I don't have any proof, but given that so many of the reasons we gave the UN for wanting to go into Iraq in the first place have completely fallen apart, or been shown to be outright wrong or even, worst case, imagination, I get the feeling that GWB was planning on finding a reason to invade Iraq long before 9/11 ever happened.

That's just how I read him.  I could be wrong, but if I'm right, yeah, I'd say he's one of our worst presidents ever.

[Yeager]

some people think bush was the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks.  

I suppose it is possible

[Vudak]

Originally posted by Yeager
some people think bush was the mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks.  

I suppose it is possible

I wouldn't say that.

I might say 9/11 was the equivalent of Animal House's "Thank you, God" scene for him, though.

(a lil sarcasim here, don't get carried away with me, fellas  )

[PonyDriver]

Ya, when the chick in the playboy outfit flies thru the window onto the kid's bed... saw thast seen this afternoon. lol


Ramming speed!

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Dunno, Carter managed to hit 28%
and Nixon 25% for their lows

and I seem to remember Truman managed to hit a pretty dismal rating also

Why is this silliness even a thread?

Why would you read and reply to it if it is so silly?  You do that alot, ive noticed.  Best to just let the silly threads alone and participate in the ones you can understand.  So, anyway, Bush is ONE of the worst presidents ever?

[RedRadr]

Originally posted by Pongo
Him or Johnson.
In our life times anyway.

         oh hush

[lazs2]

I have never approved of him.. he is far to socialist liberal for me...

But I worked hard to get him elected.  there was no alternative.

At this point in time.. there is no other alternative either.

Bush did exactly what I thought he would do... He grew government some... less than kerrie woulda but he did grow it.

He also put in TWO supreme court judges that believe in the constitution... That was my main reason for wanting him in and he did not dissapoint

He has intalled a crapload of good federal judges... again.. think of the alternative.

Gun ban laws have gone away... the gun ban crowd has introduced about a tenth of what they would have if.... again... imagine the alternative.

He passed the protection of commerce act for firearms dealers.. he may have saved the industry.

He appointed John bolton to the un.

His approval rating with me was allways 33% but kerries was 0% with me.

The war?   So long as we need oil we will be involved in wars and have well funded terrorists in every muslim middle east country coming after us...  There is no good or bad muslim oil producing country to be at war with... iraq is as good as any and better than most.

They invaded their neigbors.. they were trying to control more oil... we allied with the invaded and the rest is history.

So funked... what is your alternative?   You realize that the things I have mentioned are far more important than the man himself tho right?    Who would you have voted for in the last election knowing what you know now?

I am saying that I never liked Bush and that he is doing exactly what I expected of him.   The alternatives were too horrible to contemplate tho.

lazs

[Mini D]

Carter was worse. Kerry would have been even worse than him. Erm... change that to "elected" because Ford was probably worse than all of them, but he didn't really have to do much.

Other than that... yep.. he was the worse since I've been following politics. It almost makes you wonder why the dems lost to him.

Other than that... I pretty much agree with everything lazs said above.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Why would you read and reply to it if it is so silly?  You do that alot, ive noticed.  Best to just let the silly threads alone and participate in the ones you can understand.  So, anyway, Bush is ONE of the worst presidents ever?

 Touch'e

but define "alot" and prove I do it "alot" please
since you noticed it. It shouldnt be hard.
Maybe I do. maybe I dont. I havent really looked.
So please, enlighten me.
If your right. I'll admit it

But actually I dont participate in alot of threads I find silly.
If I did, you would see my posts in alot more threads

In this case I was correcting the thread for accuracy.
33% isnt the worst.

One of the worst ever? Dunno. Ask me 20-30 years from now

back then Nixon was considered terrible after Watergate.
Now many "experts" say he was pretty good. Same thing with Truman.

the only one who hasnt really changed is Carter. It was viewed as a failed presidency then and it still is.


As for Bush. I am afraid we wont know for sure for quite some time. Well after he is out of office.

Who knows he may very well be the worst. Or he could in hindsight be viewed as one of the better ones.

Polls like this tend to be directly related to peoples wallets. As long as there isnt anything drastically effecting their wallets. Whoever is president can get away with just about anything. But the minute something hits em in the wallet such as the price of gas. The presidents approval rating drops.

If we were in the runaway economy of the 90s. I highly doubt Bush's ratings would dip so low reguardless of what he did

[lasersailor184]

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