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Offline Chairboy

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The efficacy of 'abstinence only'
« on: August 15, 2006, 09:00:25 PM »
http://www.wyff4.com/education/9680361/detail.html

Out of 490 female students, 65 pregnant.  Until now, the school's sex ed was a pure abstinence platform.  

Perhaps ideals are not, in fact, the same as reality.
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2006, 09:09:59 PM »
an ideal is some thing to strive for, realty is what happens.

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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2006, 09:11:02 PM »
Is there a comparison to a school with similar demographics that provided sex ed to students?
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2006, 09:11:45 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2006, 09:12:07 PM »
I saw no where in that article what their up until now "platform" was. One of abstinence was implied with this statement "He said the new curriculum moves beyond the "Just Say No" approach." but a previously policy of abstinece only being taught was not stated. Forgive me if I don't trust the media.

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« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2006, 10:19:45 PM »
Hi Chairboy,

Yup, prior to the invention of the condom every teenage girl became pregnant out of wedlock. You know, those were the embarrassing chapters they left out of "Little House on the Prairie" and "Anne of Green Gables" where the girls get pregnant at school. ;)

Seriously, clearly it is not absolutely inevitable that our children have to have sex in high-school and that all we can do is hand them a condom. The very fact that this was not the norm in the USA prior to the 1960s should prove that. The problem with abstinence messages in modern society though, is that the social and religious pressure that made abstinence a reality in the past, no longer exists. In fact, we have a culture that does exactly the opposite and presses kids towards sex as soon as possible and stygmatizes chastity. How on earth do we expect a "just say no" message to resonate when the society is screaming "JUST DO IT!" and they have no moral and ethical reason for saying no. Expecting a teen to be scared away from sex by the current horrendous STD statistics alone is just not going to do it any more than the cancer warning on the pack of cigarettes is going to eliminate teen age smoking.

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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2006, 10:26:00 PM »
I think those 65 would have spread their legs enough times to get knocked up regardless what they sleep through during sex ed class ...

sounds like they could hold a class or two about the subject themselves ...

they failed the class right? .. what part about sex = babies, no sex = no babies did they not understand?
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« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2006, 11:12:48 PM »
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social and religious pressure that made abstinence a reality in the past, no longer exists.


That pretty much sums it up...

I think abstinence should be encouraged along with teaching kids how to use a condom...

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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2006, 11:18:55 PM »
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That pretty much sums it up...

I think abstinence should be encouraged along with teaching kids how to use a condom...
From "They're all dirty sluts" to "blame society" to, my personal favorite, "The children failed us", I was really beginning to despair.  Thanks soda, first good sensible reply yet.
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2006, 11:19:30 PM »
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I think abstinence should be encouraged along with teaching kids how to use a condom...


Bingo.
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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2006, 11:38:21 PM »
Every father should escort their daughters on dates carrying a shotgun. It would be more effective than any of this.

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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2006, 11:41:45 PM »
Are you seriously suggesting that teenagers do NOT know how to use a condom?

They don't want to use them.  For the guys there's a macho thing about not using a condom.  I've been dealing with them for nearly 30 years, and that attitude is very prevalent, in all demographic groups, but especially in those of lower socio-economic status.

"It's like taking a shower with a raincoat on."

According to the National Prevention Information Network...the United States has the worst rates of STD infection of any nation in the western world...between 50 to 100 times as high as other nations.

Reasons listed for this high rate are:  Teenagers are having sex at much earlier ages, higher rates of divorce, and sexually active people are more likely to have multiple sexual partners.

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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2006, 11:43:04 PM »
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Every father should escort their daughters on dates carrying a shotgun. It would be more effective than any of this.


Unfortunately, we're dealing with more and more single parent families.  Kids are being left alone more now than ever.
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2006, 12:13:04 AM »
The death of the American family.

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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2006, 12:14:04 AM »
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The death of the American family.


The American family became deathly ill when Mom went to work and left the kids at home alone.
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