Author Topic: Next scenario: Battle of Britain 2006 (Read 10014 times)

Brooke · « **Reply #30 on:** August 17, 2006, 11:00:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
I got a suggestion...

Last time ('04) it was a re-write of history. All new rules, new leaders, etc. How about this time imposing the same restrictions as the LW had? Maybe just some of them. Things like fighters have to stay so close to the bombers. 110s need 109 escorts, etc (not that they do in AH2, but you know what I mean).

We want to introduce as few changes as possible to the rules that ran previously. This way, we can run the scenario on a quick schedule without risk of introducing anything unbalancing.

Brooke · « **Reply #31 on:** August 17, 2006, 11:03:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Nifty
Do you guys have an idea of the start times of the frames, and if they will be on Saturday or Sunday?

Current best estimate is to run Saturdays 3 pm Eastern (maybe 4 pm Eastern) -- but times are not finalized yet.

Dates and times will be as noted here:

http://ahevents.org/site/content/view/122/153/

This is the "current or next scenario" information from ahevents.org.

Brooke · « **Reply #32 on:** August 17, 2006, 11:27:30 PM »

For folks wondering about changes:

In the scenario team, one of our goals is increasing the number of scenarios run per year. To do that, some of the scenarios will be new designs or reworkings of or improvements on past scenarios, and some will be re-runs with little or no changes, drawing from scenario designs that have proven themselves to be popular and balanced.

BOB has been one of the most popular scenarios. Also, in BOB 2004 (whose rule set we are using this time around), victory/defeat came down to the last bomber of the last mission of the last frame -- so it is also a well-balanced design.

This scenario, slated to start late September, needs to be one that we can set up and run with little change so that we can fit it in before the Pearl Harbor scenario in December.

Brooke · « **Reply #33 on:** August 17, 2006, 11:42:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Delirium
Obviously, it hasn't... no alt limit has been imposed so far.

In the scenario team, we've talked a fair amount about altitude in scenarios, and we continue to talk about it. Newer scenario designs tend to have things in them that in some way limit alt (downwind in Operation Downfall representing the jet stream as well as horizontal wind that limits alt at which precision bombing can be done; visibility and horizontal wind in Stalin's Fourth making bombers useless above about 6k and lots of ground attack; and so on).

As for this one, it's not that the scenario team (or anyone else for that matter) doesn't notice and realize implications of no alt limits. It's that there are reasons such as the previous post.

Brooke · « **Reply #34 on:** August 17, 2006, 11:50:02 PM »

For folks who are interested in pictorials and after-action reports of the action in Battle of Britain 2004, to see what it was like, here is a link for you:

http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/battle_britain_2004/battle_britain_2004.htm

Roscoroo · « **Reply #35 on:** August 18, 2006, 02:22:16 AM »

BOB 2004 went off really well . with just a few changes to the original setup .

Were going to use Jeeps, c-47s, pt boats for rescue , there will be the gents rule of leaving them and downed pilots alone .
We are fixing a few things so the pilots have a better chance at a decient rescue time ...

Roo story hour:
Back in my FA days we had a LW 109 pilot that flew with his Grandaughter every once and a while . One of my Squadies got a chance to interview Him about The Battle of Britain . (Bruv may remember this ) ...He Said while on a mission one time, He and His Wingman"Came across a lone Spitfire ,,, Flying along level . They came up on His 6 and the spit didnt evade or even flinch .." As He pulled up along the spits 9 oc he noticed the Spit pilot was "asleep at the stick " Being just as worn out as the British pilots He decided to let him rest and head for home ."

Bruv119 · « **Reply #36 on:** August 18, 2006, 02:46:41 AM »

Ah Rosco!

You remember that free BofB arena back in 2.5 ?

With the AI controlled German formations flying over.

Got me hooked there was an unused field in northern france there were 3 of us that used to land on it and take off and kill the germans before they got over to the water. A guy called Barlow, mack and myself. We called it the 119 squadron the flying devils lol. Well thats where my numbers in my name came from....

Barlow let me use his account to play in the other arenas to get his rank up after I managed to kill 12 109 drones on just me in a hurricane (which was quite a feat!) Then that was me addicted for life.......

Will be a great run down memory lane for me in this scenario and when I take off down that runway with my whole squadron in tow it may jerk a tear.

You guys in 109's better watch out your going to get hurt

Bruv
The Few CO

~S~

Roscoroo · « **Reply #37 on:** August 18, 2006, 02:54:34 AM »

Remember the 12 hour long BOB with 2 lives every 2 hours ? I bet i logged 8 hrs of that .

BOB '04 was great here .. I flew as GL of a Hurri scout squadron . we had a blast even with the long hour plus of scouting ...the emersion value was great.

Bruv119 · « **Reply #38 on:** August 18, 2006, 03:04:21 AM »

What did they call that Operation Thunder or something. For some reason a squad that I had joined TEA The Empire Aces were flying for Germany!!!

The shame !! anyway ended up really high engaging fighter escorts for the b17's the 190 A-4 was my ride and I got 2 kills but we got our arses kicked by those mustangs and I think I was the only one from my squad to limp back from our engagement alive....

Am really excited about this event and looking forward to it,

The MA has got a bit stale recently and this sounds like a taste of what CT may be like.

Bruv
~S~

PS: your welcome to fly with us or try and get a joint squad fighter sweep together will be like old times...

Nifty · « **Reply #39 on:** August 18, 2006, 08:28:40 AM »

An insane down wind layer would be a bad idea. The Ju88's could park right on the wind layer, and the RAF would have a hard time getting above the Ju88s. Setting multiple layers of stiff horizontal winds above some given alt, might throw off accuracy of level bombing enough to entice the Ju88s to not play the alt monkey game.

Of course, most of them weren't alt monkeying in BoB 2004. Some did, but most were not.

Rompa · « **Reply #40 on:** August 18, 2006, 09:52:22 AM »

Were there not some cind of fog/mist setting in BoB 2004.

I was in a sq110´s tasked with dive bomb missions on RAF hangars/radar first then going as fighter cover and we could not see ground from 25k so when diving in on fields (as located on map) we didnt know what was waiting for us down there, hell we even had trouble finding the airfields sometimes.

Krusty · « **Reply #41 on:** August 18, 2006, 11:16:49 AM »

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Originally posted by Nifty
An insane down wind layer would be a bad idea. The Ju88's could park right on the wind layer, and the RAF would have a hard time getting above the Ju88s. Setting multiple layers of stiff horizontal winds above some given alt, might throw off accuracy of level bombing enough to entice the Ju88s to not play the alt monkey game.

Of course, most of them weren't alt monkeying in BoB 2004. Some did, but most were not.

A loaded Ju88 has a hard time reaching 15k, can barely function at 20k. If you set the wind at 25-30K there's still the ability to attack from above.

Roscoroo · « **Reply #42 on:** August 18, 2006, 02:46:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
A loaded Ju88 has a hard time reaching 15k, can barely function at 20k. If you set the wind at 25-30K there's still the ability to attack from above.

your wrong krusty ...sorry

we've been cruising at 20k in 88's for a long time with no problem getting there , come play CE on sunday .

BlauK · « **Reply #43 on:** August 18, 2006, 03:02:16 PM »

A thin cloud layer every 5k worked fine in Stalin's ... IMHO. One could still bomb through 2 layers, but from 3 it was far more difficult and from 4 quite impossible, IIRC.

Krusty · « **Reply #44 on:** August 18, 2006, 03:26:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Roscoroo
your wrong krusty ...sorry

we've been cruising at 20k in 88's for a long time with no problem getting there , come play CE on sunday .

I'll give it a try, if I'm not helping Bat make a Jug film at the time.

I was going by past experience. I've tried to get fully loaded Ju88 up high before. Above 15k it didn't want to do anything. I've only barely got one to 20k before and it was doing 100fpm climb.