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Offline Whisky58

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Re: Re: Early Planes Arena(EPA)
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2006, 05:11:45 PM »
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Moreover, one could certainly argue that the F4U-1 should be added as it is a 1942 vintage fighter (deliveries beginning in October of 1942).

Without wanting to get into a laboured discussion about what defines "early, mid or late",  WW2 is generally accepted as starting Sept 1939 & ending Aug 1945.  Thus October 1942 is in the second half of the conflict and any plane introduced then can't be seriously considered an "early" war plane.

An EPA would be a fine idea IMO.

However it's unlikely to happen because America wasn't at war in the early stages of WW2 and the majority of AH subscribers are Americans and, not unnaturally, want to fly US planes.  

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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2006, 05:18:39 PM »
gotta be honest I'd jump in a spit more often if this idea was implemented
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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2006, 05:19:39 PM »
If we're talking 1941 for the US, for AH fighters, it would be the P-40B, P-40E, and F4F-4.

If we're talking 1942, it would be those and the P-38G, F4U-1, F4U-1C, and F4U-1D.

You could probably add the P-47D-11 to the 1941 time period if you are willing have it as a substitute for the P-47B.  The P-47B and P-47D-11 both have 2000 HP military power and performed about the same without WEP.  The P-47B has no WEP, and the P-47D-11 has 2300 HP with WEP.  The P-47D-11 also has a drop tank available, which the P-47B did not have.

Here are dates of first delivery of US fighters, from America's Hundred Thousand, by Dean.  Note that these are dates of first delivery to the military, not date of first flight of the model.

P-38, June, 1941
P-38D, July, 1941
P-38E, Oct., 1941
P-38F, Feb., 1942
P-38G, June, 1942
P-38H, March, 1943
P-38J, Sept., 1943
P-38L, June, 1944

P-40, June, 1940
P-40A, Sept., 1940
P-40B, Jan., 1941
P-40C, March, 1941
P-40G, Aug., 1941
P-40D, July, 1941
P-40E, Aug., 1941
P-40F, Jan., 1942
P-40K, May, 1942
P-40L, Jan., 1943
P-40M, March, 1943
P-40N, March, 1943

P-47B, Dec., 1941
P-47C-5, Sept., 1942
P-47D-5, Feb., 1943
P-47D-28, April, 1944
P-47N, Sept., 1944

P-51, July, 1942
P-51A, March, 1943
P-51B, June-July, 1943
P-51C, Aug., 1943
P-51D, Jan., 1944

F4F-3, Aug., 1940
F4F-4, Dec., 1941
F4F-7, Jan., 1942
FM-1, Aug., 1942
FM-2, Sept., 1943

F4U-1, Oct., 1942
F4U-1C, Nov., 1942
F4U-1D, Nov., 1942
F4U-4, Dec., 1944

F6F-3, Dec., 1942
F6F-5, Apr., 1944
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« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2006, 05:56:26 PM »
Thought they had another arena similiar to this already?  that very rarely has many people in it.
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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2006, 06:42:53 PM »
AFAIK, no F4U-1Cs or 1Ds saw action until late 1944/early 1945. 1943 was the F4U-1, with early 1As towards the end of the year.
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« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2006, 06:50:55 PM »
I love my early war main arena..... HMk1 just pawns those late war uber UFO thingies :D :t.
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« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2006, 07:26:28 PM »
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AFAIK, no F4U-1Cs or 1Ds saw action until late 1944/early 1945. 1943 was the F4U-1, with early 1As towards the end of the year.


Good point.  That chart I put up is only date of first delivery to the military of any number of aircraft, not when they actually saw action.
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« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2006, 08:16:50 PM »
Another table perhaps of interest

Price of aircraft from America's Hundred Thousand:

P-47, $100,000
P-38, $98,000
F4U, $75,000
P-51, $50,000
F6F, $50,000
P-40, $40,000
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« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2006, 08:17:53 PM »
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AFAIK, no F4U-1Cs or 1Ds saw action until late 1944/early 1945. 1943 was the F4U-1, with early 1As towards the end of the year.


When aircraft saw action.  Estimates based on America's Hundred Thousand (based on me reading through the aircraft chronology section and at times applying some interpolation).

P-38E, Aug., 1942
P-38F, Aug., 1942
P-38G, Aug., 1942
P-38H, Oct., 1943
P-38J, Dec., 1943
P-38L, June, 1944

P-47C, March, 1943
P-47D, May, 1943

P-51, May, 1942
P-51A, Nov., 1943
P-51B, Dec., 1943
P-51C, Apr., 1944
P-51D, June, 1944
P-51K, Sept., 1944

F4U-1, Feb., 1943
F4U-1C, July, 1944
F4U-1D, May, 1944
F4U-4, Feb., 1945

F6F-3, Aug., 1943
F6F-5, July, 1944
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« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2006, 08:46:10 PM »
I was gonna say, the 56th got the first jugs in early I had always thought
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« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2006, 08:53:50 PM »
I like the idea. even things up a bit for people that like the early war birds.
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« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2006, 04:11:15 AM »
Great to see HTC listens to new ideas..:aok
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