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« on: August 20, 2006, 06:05:28 PM »
The alliance between George Bush and Tony Blair is in danger after it was revealed that the Prime Minister believes the President has 'let him down badly' over the Middle East crisis.

A senior Downing Street source said that, privately, Mr Blair broadly agrees with John Prescott, who said Mr Bush's record on the issue was 'crap'.

The source said: "We all feel badly let down by Bush. We thought we had persuaded him to take the Israel-Palestine situation seriously, but we were wrong. How can anyone have faith in a man of such low intellect?"

The disclosure comes ahead of a mini recall of Parliament to allow MPs to vent their fury over Mr Blair's handling of Israel's war with Hezbollah and whether the recent terror plot in Britain was affected by his role in the Iraq war.

Foreign Affairs Minister Kim Howells, who has criticised Israeli attacks on women and children, is to be summoned before an emergency meeting next month of the Labour-dominated Commons foreign affairs select committee.

The highly unusual move to allow a Parliament evidence session during the summer recess mirrors emergency meetings called after the July 7 bombings in London.

The rift between No10 and the White House stems from British anger that Mr Bush failed to do enough to pursue the 'road map' to peace between the Israelis and Palestinians, which he approved, at Mr Blair's instigation, on the eve of the Iraq war.

"We have been banging on at them for three years about the need to address the Palestinian problem but they just won't engage," said a senior Government insider. "That is one of the reasons there is such a mess now."

It is understood Mr Blair hopes to undertake a highly controversial one-man mission to the Middle East when he returns from his holiday, including a trip to war-torn Lebanon.

Until now, the Prime Minister has given Mr Bush 100 per cent backing on all foreign policy issues since the Iraq war in 2003. But Mr Blair's refusal to distance himself publicly from the White House's all-out support for Israel's attacks on Hezbollah guerillas in Lebanon has enraged Labour MPs and several Ministers.

However, a Downing Street official said: "We believe our best approach is to use our influence with the American government to persuade them of the importance of making progress to achieve peace in the Middle East."

Mr Blair's advisers say his portrayal by critics as Mr Bush's 'poodle' is a travesty and claim he gets results by hammering out their differences in private.

But they do not deny that, behind the facade of public support, Downing Street's patience with Mr Bush has never been stretched so far.

The decision by the foreign affairs committee to stage its emergency debate on September 13 - after Mr Blair opposed calls for a full recall of Parliament - is a further reflection of backbench unrest.

MPs have been demanding that the Government explains its stance on the crisis, which saw Mr Blair back Israel's use of force against Hezbollah militants in Lebanon which has left hundreds of civilians dead and thousands homeless.

Mr Howells will be questioned over the Government's handling of the crisis, which has seen the Cabinet deeply divided over Israel's actions. He will also be asked to update MPs on the latest UN peacekeeping efforts which will see thousands of international troops deployed into a buffer zone on the Israel-Lebanon border.

Labour committee member Eric Illsley confirmed that the committee would take evidence from Mr Howells on September 13. He said: "There has been a public clamour for a full recall of Parliament."

Meanwhile John Prescott has been involved in another foul-mouthed incident over Tony Blair's policy on the Middle East, it was claimed last night.

He is said to have had a heated exchange with Lord Chancellor Lord Falconer, one of the few Cabinet Ministers to defend Mr Blair's stance on Israel's war with Hezbollah, when the conflict was raised during a Cabinet meeting and Lord Falconer denied that Ministers had disagreed on the issue.

Mr Prescott, one of the Ministers who led the revolt, allegedly snapped at Lord Falconer: "Of course they f****** did, you were f****** there."

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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2006, 06:37:24 PM »
All that diatribe about the nasty Isreali's defending themselves and not a single word about the innitial attacks by hamas or hezbollah. HHmmm very interesting.
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2006, 06:50:40 PM »
Deffending?Leveling half of Lebanon you call defending?Does anybody know on what territory those two Israeli's were "kidnaped"?
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2006, 07:27:40 PM »
Yup, they leveled half of Lebanon.

There are a few reasons for this.

One is to teach Lebanon the consequences of allowing a rogue militant force access to its territory to launch attacks at Israel and another is that when Hezbolla strikes again (notice I said 'when' because it's going to happen) the other half of Lebanon will be flattened.

Perhaps Lebanon will put a short leash on Hezbolla.

Doubtful but thats the message from Israel.
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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2006, 10:01:36 PM »
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A senior Downing Street source said that, privately,

 


well, my un-named washington source says privately that your source is full of balderdash.

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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2006, 10:17:13 PM »
Bush is taking it a lot more seriously than Chirac. What was it I read? France said they would command the UN force but not send more than 200 troops? I guess now they've upped that to 400. What a joke.

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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2006, 11:24:44 PM »
Let's see.....with a UN force in place Hezbollah brought in 10,000 rockets. Now with a new "French led" force and Lebanese military (1/3 of whom are purportedly Hezbollah) it's going to be different??????? The only difference is the more sophisticated ord that Iran will supply now & the difficulty of stepping over all the white flags the French will bring.
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2006, 11:30:53 PM »
there is more going on than meets the eye as far as Bush and Blair are concerned....both those guys are owned by the Saudis.

The one thing that pissed me off more than any other about Bush is seeing him holding hands with Saudi royalty.  The President of the United States is subserviant to a Saudi prince.  I suspect Blair is in similar circumstances.

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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2006, 11:46:40 PM »
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Let's see.....with a UN force in place Hezbollah brought in 10,000 rockets. Now with a new "French led" force and Lebanese military (1/3 of whom are purportedly Hezbollah) it's going to be different??????? The only difference is the more sophisticated ord that Iran will supply now & the difficulty of stepping over all the white flags the French will bring.
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2006, 12:17:19 AM »
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Deffending?Leveling half of Lebanon you call defending?Does anybody know on what territory those two Israeli's were "kidnaped"?


Give me a ****ing break.

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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2006, 08:22:29 AM »
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Let's see.....with a UN force in place Hezbollah brought in 10,000 rockets. Now with a new "French led" force and Lebanese military (1/3 of whom are purportedly Hezbollah) it's going to be different??????? The only difference is the more sophisticated ord that Iran will supply now & the difficulty of stepping over all the white flags the French will bring.
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Actually I think France was in command of the UN force when the latest fighting started, didn't look it up, could be wrong. The UN has been totally ineffective in Lebanon in the last however many years. Looks like it will be more of the same.

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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2006, 08:31:25 AM »
oh booooo hooooo..   "your president is soo stupid and all of ours are so sophisticated and smart and welll.... your-0-pean."

really... history shows that listening to you guys really makes a mess of things.  Allways starting some war with some neighbor or another.

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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2006, 09:33:59 AM »
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However, a Downing Street official said: "We believe our best approach is to use our influence with the American government to persuade them of the importance of making progress to achieve peace in the Middle East."



lols, what ****ing influence?

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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2006, 09:42:06 AM »
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Actually I think France was in command of the UN force when the latest fighting started, didn't look it up, could be wrong. The UN has been totally ineffective in Lebanon in the last however many years. Looks like it will be more of the same.


I think you're right but don't change the fact that the UN mandate/resolution make the soldier useless (even to pretect themselves !)

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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2006, 09:48:11 AM »
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I think you're right but don't change the fact that the UN mandate/resolution make the soldier useless (even to pretect themselves !)


Agreed, but all of the countries involved were responsible for this uslessness . However, France has now apparently gotten what it wanted today with permission to shoot as necessary. Will France step up and commit troops as Italy has offered to do?