Mosquito vs Bf-110

[Mako15]

Ok...which is the better plane? I want a clean fight, good and bad points of both planes presented....no cheap shots

Personally I love the mossie more....its prettier

[Furball]

mossie was by far the superior aircraft in RL.

in AH it is hampered by a curious CG (ever seen the plane snake like mad after you do auto takeoff?), stalls, strange handling, night engine shrouds reducing its top speed and magical "it must catch fire 1 round from anything because it is made out of wood - right?" damage model.

110 is a much better fighter aircraft in AH.

[Krusty]

To quote Catch Me if You Can, "I concur"

[captkaos]

For not other reason, I prefer the 110 for the 30mm cannons.

[Karnak]

I flew hundreds and hundreds of Mossie sorties in AH.  The only Mossie I ever "lost" to a Bf110 was one that I dove on, but oversped and tore my elevators off, thus giving him a proxy kill on me.  In every other Mossie vs Bf110 encounter I had the Bf110(s) either died or nobody died.

Mossie is superior, but not by nearly the margin it was in reality.

[mussie]

Mossie = Pilot wound

BF110G2 = Ack Killer

Mossie vs BF110G2....
If not for the auto pilot wound would take the mossie but as I always seam to get Pilot wounds I will take the 110G2

[MOSQ]

Originally posted by mussie
Mossie = Pilot wound

BF110G2 = Ack Killer

Mossie vs BF110G2....
If not for the auto pilot wound would take the mossie but as I always seam to get Pilot wounds I will take the 110G2

I concur. The Mossie is a pilot wound magnet.

[Squire]

I brought up the PW issue in a post about pilot armor but got no response as such. I dont think the Mossie in AH has any armored glass at all. The FB (fighter) version had armored glass, an armored bulkhead in the nose and armored seats for the pilot.  

The flame damper is a minor point imho, it hardly causes *that* much drag...ya you would get a few more mph without them I guess, but folks overblow that.

Its a very good ride imho, fast, and can turn a good corner, and in a proper fighter configuration, can hold its own against a lot of AH a/c in a fight. Armament wise, the 4 x hispano are deadly, it will saw an a/c in 1/2 from a short burst, and also can carry 180 rnds per gun (780 total).

I know its improved since older versions of AH, where it couldnt even do an immelman, it was a total joke (heavy nose bounce, underpowered ect). Its much better now, but its reputation in AH is still hurt by how they used to model it.  

My 2 cents.

[Karnak]

Squire,

It isn't the drag that the dampers have (little more than ejector stacks), it is the fact that with the dampers there is no thrust from the exhaust.  None.

You are talking about doing 338mph on the deck instead of 355mph.  Mossie VIs used in daylight ops did not have the shrouds for a very good reason.


Another example of exhaust thrust:

A6M3: 332mph
A6M5: 352mph

Only power change: exhaust thrust on the A6M5.

[bozon]

Our mossie could use a few improvements when it gets redone to the new standard. Most of the issues with it have been mentioned above:
- flame dampners. Currently the mossie is a slow ride. 10-15 MPH make a huge difference.
- flamable airframe. Nothing save a Zeke catchs fire that fast. What burns in a plane are damaged fuel lines and such, not the wood in the structure. Once a fire starts, wood may be damaged faster than metal, but this is not what starts the fire.
- center of gravity (?) - it has some strange issues at low speeds. The tail feels heavy and snap stall it really nasty.
- Pilot wounds. Either there is no armor or it might relate to the big cockpit. I don't know how AH calculate PW, but if it involves some random check every time the canopy is hit that can cause it.

Currently in AH the 110 is a tad better. However, if you factor in the "coolness factor", Mossie wins hands down as wins 80% of the plane set. I flew it as a pure fighter a couple of tours ago, in fighter town, from vulched fields and accepting every fight. I got killed alot due to flames, PW and just being a big area target. Defending against BnZ is hard but overall it held its own and gave more than it took. I'd rate it about equal to the P47 as a low alt MA fighter.

Bozon

[Reynolds]

I like the 110 because its a messerschmitt, and I have a thing for messerschmitts. However, im saddened to say, my one time in a Mosquito put the 110 to shame. Great guns (They seem more powerful than those on the 110. Are they?) And it handles like a dream.

[Squire]

Well, I will take the 10mph, anybody would. As for the shrouds, they didnt block the exhaust thrust entirely, as that isn't possible.  

In the short term I would very much like to see HTC have a look at the armor codes for it, and to make adjustements at some point if they do indeed find an issue.

[SAS_KID]

I prefer a 110 since i can actually do something without flatspinning it. And the 110 makes people actually want to dogfight you and not HO you. And if they do oooo baby they go *poof* nicely.

[thrila]

Oh i love the mossie.  Reynolds, i wouldn't say  that the mossie handles like a dream but aslong as you stay in her  envelope she's fine.  I must have flown the mossie for atleast a year as my primary ride, aslong as you're aggressive kills come easily.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Squire
Well, I will take the 10mph, anybody would. As for the shrouds, they didnt block the exhaust thrust entirely, as that isn't possible.  

In the short term I would very much like to see HTC have a look at the armor codes for it, and to make adjustements at some point if they do indeed find an issue.

No, but nothing directs it backwards to provide thrust.  It just spouts out the side as on the A6M3, or if you want a phote, the Spitfire prototype.

Thus it provides no thrust.

I have seen claims that exhaust thrust was worth as much as 10-15% of the horsepower an engine produced in net thrust.