Bf-109E vs. Spit I

[68Turbo]

These two planes are probably the two most evenly match planes in WWII. They fought in the Battle of Britain, and according to a documentary, they were so closely matched that the results depended mostly on the pilots. So, I'll just start a topic on here, and you guys can say which plane you think is better. I honestly would rather be the Spit, casue of its manueverability. Also a .303 ain't too powerful, but with 8 of them, and at the right calibration, you can really tear people up. Though the engine gets a little annoying sometimes.

[zorstorer]

Originally posted by 68Turbo
These two planes are probably the two most evenly match planes in WWII. They fought in the Battle of Britain, and according to a documentary, they were so closely matched that the results depended mostly on the pilots. So, I'll just start a topic on here, and you guys can say which plane you think is better. I honestly would rather be the Spit, casue of its manueverability. Also a .303 ain't too powerful, but with 8 of them, and at the right calibration, you can really tear people up. Though the engine gets a little annoying sometimes.

I think flown well the 109E4 holds most cards on the Spit 1.  I think the BoB scenario held that to be true.  But my memory might be a bit mushy, I was flying the Hurri Mk1 at the time

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by zorstorer
I think flown well the 109E4 holds most cards on the Spit 1.  I think the BoB scenario held that to be true.  But my memory might be a bit mushy, I was flying the Hurri Mk1 at the time

Spit I v the Emil is one of the best matches AH has to offer.  Like Zorstorer, I'd rather be in the Spit because it flys better, but Emil clearly has a guns advantage.

Stop by the AvA next time we have BoB up.

- oldman

[Reynolds]

Tell me next time BoB comes up in SEA of AvA. Im dying to play one. My two cents: Emil. I feel its made of paper though! Does anyone feel that way? I mean its VERY fragile. It may just be that i was being shot by more cannons than usual, but it felt as if it fell apart much easier than a K4 or a G14. I dont like the spit, because, well, the first fighter I used to fly was the P38, but not for long. Ever since then, its always been the 109, so I tend to try to climb the Spit a lot more... steeply than it can take. The 2 20mms add a potentialy lethal complication: ammo. Those of you changing from another 109, or basically any other high-ammo fighter will run your guns dry without ever suspecting it. My first flight, I ran dry without noticing, and then tried to attack a fighter. I was on his tail, pulled the trigger and... 'click' 'click' 'click'. Nothing. I was putting out literaly twice the ammount of lead in each shot as I am used to, and it was the same ammount of ammo. Keep an eye on things, and dont shoot unless you have a kill shot. Overall though, the Emil always wins over the spit in my mind!

So go kill some spits!

[wasq]

Originally posted by Reynolds
Tell me next time BoB comes up in SEA of AvA. Im dying to play one.

Well, Battle of Britain 2006 just happens to be the next scenario. I don't know when AvA will have next BoB (or a rolling planeset).

[Reynolds]

Originally posted by wasq
Well, Battle of Britain 2006 just happens to be the next scenario. I don't know when AvA will have next BoB (or a rolling planeset).

sheiBe.... I have to get the 303rd operational by then?!? god help us...

[Angus]

Well, in the BoB there were more than one 109E variants, and same with the Spitfire.
The Spit II holds the high alt cards on the early 109E and vice versa.
Spit outturns the 109E. (RL)
Speed is very similar, depending on variants. Our AH Spit is a tad faster.
Roll is very similar, depending on speed and pilot strength. (RL)
Climb is very similar too! Given the same engine performance the Spit will hold the cards AFAIK. (RL)
The 109E has much more firepower as long as the cannon shells last.
And...the 109 can bunt without losing the engine power, and also has a better dive.
That's about it.
And Reynolds, join the scenario. BoB is a blast!
(I remember me coming from the keyboard with shaky hands, lol)

[Reynolds]

Whats bunt?

And yeah, i am dying to. I just need to get the 303BG/359BS into the provisional phase. We need 8 active pilots, who are good at what they do. Right now we have 3

If I cannot field a full squadron, we may still attend, but not as a squad.

[Angus]

You don't get to choose where you'll be put anyway.
In my first BoB, I applied for a Spitfire, had the last practice on a Hurricane, and ended up flying the scenario in a Ju88. It was a blast anyway.
Bunt is to slam the stick forward, the 109 pilots did that a lot with an angry Spitfire on their tail. With direct fuel injection, the 109 would dart downwards while a Spitfire attemting this would have the engine cut for a few seconds. To follow a bunt, you would need a halfroll and inverted +G dive do the engine wouldn't cut.
This was fixed after the Spitfire Mk II.

[Reynolds]

Well, since we are a bomber squad, im hoping for 88s. Otherwise, I want a 109!

[wasq]

Originally posted by Reynolds
Well, since we are a bomber squad, im hoping for 88s. Otherwise, I want a 109!

Usually there are enough bomber assignments so if you want to fly a bomber you probably can. Current rules have 7 KG Gruppen with 5 pilots each flying Ju-88s.

[Schatzi]

Originally posted by wasq
Well, Battle of Britain 2006 just happens to be the next scenario. I don't know when AvA will have next BoB (or a rolling planeset).

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOT!!!






<---- Reserves a HMk1 spot!

[Angus]

Hurry1, count me in!!!!!

[TracerX]

109E for me.  People underestimate the problems with the negative G's in the Spitfires.  It is a huge exploit for the 109 pilots who know what they are doing.  You can stay ahead of the Spit's guns and out run them by exploiting this weakness even though the Spit is slightly faster.  Also, the 109 seems to hold onto its speed better in a dive and longer after leveling.  With the 109, you can kill quicker too.  I love the BOB era for this matchup.  It is a tremendous challenge for both sides.

[Angus]

If the 109 Pilot is well aware, the Spit pilot will have to lock-on for quite some time before being able to deliver a killing burst.
The death of the 109 comes when it pushes it to too slow speed, - then a cunning Spit driver will know about the "bunt".
In a knivefight I rather prefer the Hurricane (more concentrated fire and better turn and roll), but again the 109 wil know that the Hurry is slower so....

BoB setup is THE finest. Jst need the Heinkel and early Stuka for a nice fill-up.