Author Topic: Bf-109E vs. Spit I (Read 2348 times)

Krusty · « **Reply #30 on:** August 24, 2006, 12:54:45 PM »

Actually it's not double the firepower. A single Mg151/20 is much more effective than both MGFF that the Emil has, and it's got almost twice as much ammo as these two MGFF, to boot!

109F has a much better gun package (considering that it's also all nose-mounted)

Major Biggles · « **Reply #31 on:** August 24, 2006, 03:22:24 PM »

spit totally dominates the 109 in a duel. however, the axis pilots are usually more experienced, (the axis squads, the finns et al) so if you're in an historic fight, high up, multiple planes, it usually goes towards the axis because of their use of decent wingman tactics.

equal pilots however, espicially if one on one, my money would almost always be on the spit

Reynolds · « **Reply #32 on:** August 24, 2006, 03:24:36 PM »

My whole problem is the escape. I can kill things no problem. I just cant escape when someone descides to kill me. Any good evasive maneuvers with the Emil? No rudder tricks though, my rudder control is broken.

Reynolds · « **Reply #33 on:** August 24, 2006, 03:24:36 PM »

My whole problem is the escape. I can kill things no problem. I just cant escape when someone descides to kill me. Any good evasive maneuvers with the Emil? No rudder tricks though, my rudder control is broken.

Reynolds · « **Reply #34 on:** August 24, 2006, 03:24:36 PM »

My whole problem is the escape. I can kill things no problem. I just cant escape when someone descides to kill me. Any good evasive maneuvers with the Emil? No rudder tricks though, my rudder control is broken.

TracerX · « **Reply #35 on:** August 24, 2006, 03:32:09 PM »

My most effective evasive moves involve using the rudder. Your flying with one flight surface tied behind your back. Not good against experienced pilots.

My most effective evasive moves involve using the rudder. Your flying with one flight surface tied behind your back. Not good against experienced pilots.

My most effective evasive moves involve using the rudder. Your flying with one flight surface tied behind your back. Not good against experienced pilots.

I think that answers all three.

BugsBunny · « **Reply #36 on:** August 24, 2006, 03:51:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
I'm not so sure, bugs... It might be that the 109E pilots seem to know what they're doing more often. That might skew the results. If you look at the comparison charts, the spit1 outruns the 109, outclimbs it in several alt bands, out turns it, and outguns it (while the 20mm is powerful, the ballistics is bad, and once it's gone the 109E is nearly defenesless, while the spit1 has a steady punch throughout its ammo depletion).

The stats say the spit1 would win.

Comment on the spitII: The spitII was almost identical to the Ia, but had 20mm tested in positions in the wings. That's how I understood it. It was a stop-gap plane, not many made, and the SpitV was the real successor to the Ia

It was in the DA vs a guy that when we are both in spits, I am dead meat. We tried E vs Spit V and I totaly owned him in the 109. I'd think the Spit I would do worse due to its bad roll rate.

Reynolds · « **Reply #37 on:** August 24, 2006, 04:20:51 PM »

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Originally posted by TracerX
My most effective evasive moves involve using the rudder. Your flying with one flight surface tied behind your back. Not good against experienced pilots.

My most effective evasive moves involve using the rudder. Your flying with one flight surface tied behind your back. Not good against experienced pilots.

My most effective evasive moves involve using the rudder. Your flying with one flight surface tied behind your back. Not good against experienced pilots.

I think that answers all three.

Its not my choice. I have a Saitek X-45, and the whole throttle quadrant wiring failed, so nothing works. I had to replace that with a TopGun Fox II Pro joystick just to throttle and rudder. That stick itself doesnt work either. Only the throttle does. And since they no longer sell the X-45 I cannot replace it, and I HATE the twist rudder of the X-52.

Krusty · « **Reply #38 on:** August 24, 2006, 04:38:44 PM »

There are still plenty of X45s out there. Check Ebay.

Reynolds · « **Reply #39 on:** August 24, 2006, 04:46:56 PM »

I know. Im looking at those, I just dont know how reliable they are.

Krusty · « **Reply #40 on:** August 24, 2006, 04:56:26 PM »

Well if they're used they'll say so. They're usually cheaper if they are used. Sometimes the seller is an actual online store, and if so chances are it's fresh from the box.

I think that you can trust a seller if they have a bajillion good feebacks. Well, trust them as far as you would trust any Ebay seller, I mean.

MiloMorai · « **Reply #41 on:** August 24, 2006, 05:12:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Comment on the spitII: The spitII was almost identical to the Ia, but had 20mm tested in positions in the wings. That's how I understood it. It was a stop-gap plane, not many made, and the SpitV was the real successor to the Ia

Spitfire:The History has 10 pages of Spit II serial numbers.

The Spit II could have either all mgs (IIa) or 2 20mm + 4 mgs (IIb).

Krusty · « **Reply #42 on:** August 24, 2006, 05:26:26 PM »

Hehe, wow! Must have 120 pages of SpitV serials!

Surely they coulda put that in a separate book? Doesn't make for a good read, I'd bet.

MiloMorai · « **Reply #43 on:** August 24, 2006, 05:46:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Hehe, wow! Must have 120 pages of SpitV serials!

Surely they coulda put that in a separate book? Doesn't make for a good read, I'd bet.

No just over 50 pages of Spit V serials. Since some 5000+ Spit Vs were produced that would give the Spit II some 1000 produced.

The book is some 600+ pages.

Reynolds · « **Reply #44 on:** August 24, 2006, 06:15:19 PM »

WOW. They heave one of those for the B-17?