This just in - pounding Iraq

[Dowding]

 

But nah, my better American nature takes hold, and i quit thinking like the jealous, decadent, backward denizens of the OLD WORLD.

LOL!!!!!!

Coming from the continent which is one of largest drug producers in the world, has plenty of crackpot dictators, gives us Jerry Springer and has had a president who not only accept oral sex in his seat of power, but also has developed a pretty novel way of smoking a cigar.

I'd say you are doing pretty well in the decadence department, so drop the New World vs Old World superiority crap.

Cabby says:

 

To suggest that Americans are brutal occupiers, hegemonists, and "uber alles" is an insult.

Then he says:

 

Sometimes i think the world WOULD have been better-off if the USA DID occupy and eliminate the local populations of Europe and replace them with Americans after WWII.

So you admit to being a fascist, at least until your 'better' American instincts take over?

[Cabby]

Quote:

"So you admit to being a fascist, "


You sound like some Post-War Communist prosecutor.

You leftist-morons like calling people Fascists, don't you Dowding???  Gives you that sense of omniscient superiority over the ignorant masses that you insecure Libs so desperately need??

That's fine, though.   I get to call you a leftist-moron in response.

Cabby

[pzvg]

First off, you're talking about a Moslem country here, lifting the embargo will not make them love us, we're "The Great Satan", remember?
Second, seeing as a few of you have no idea how fast one ages when the RWR (Radar Warning Receiver) goes off, Don't judge a stance that the military approves of entirely, If you point a weapon at me, you'd better understand that I will kill you if you do not kill me.
On top of that, if the world hadn't turned into this half-assed political PC Bs sideshow, we wouldn't have a no-fly zone, Saddam would not be leading Iraq.
When we stop targeting the guys making the descisions, the chance of achieving more than a stalemate go out the window.
To prove that point, I notice that everyone's favorite Libyan Loon has been pretty quiet since we blew up his house.
And to the Russian guy, hey go deal with the problems you have without bombing towns into rubble, then you can talk.
And finally, Dowding, the largest drug producer? Largest consumer perhaps, but I theenk CooLum-bia is the producer  
To close, shoot at us, we shoot back, anyone who cannot understand that rationale needs to be removed from the gene pool as an unhealthy mutation that would not survive on its own anyway.
Feel free to disagree, we've been keeping the world FREE to disagree for years.

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[RAM]

 

Originally posted by pzvg:
Feel free to disagree, we've been keeping the world FREE to disagree for years.

LOL!...tell that to Chile people, to Argentina people, to SPANISH PEOPLE (Franco, ooooh, yea), To Uruguay people, To nicaragua people, to Salvador people...may I follow?

[Dowding]

Cabby, you're the guy suggesting a 'Final Solution' for Europe - a typically fascist approach to any problem. Or perhaps the more modern term would be 'ethnic cleansing'.

I say what I see Cabby - if you don't want to be called a fascist, don't act like one.

I see the anger management therapy is coming along nicely! You'll be constructing a decent argument next - keep up the good work, comrade!

pzvg - I was refering to the 'New World' i.e. the American continent.  

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[TheWobble]

 

I say what I see Cabby

But yet you dont live in the US dont personally many americans, yet you dont hesitate to bash us in every way.  You sure dont see America, yet its a pile of crap to you, maby thats why, maby you have bad eyes, I dunno i gave up trying to see your line thinking(or lack there of) a long time ago.

See doublestandard in the dictionary.

[Dowding]

Come on then Wobbly, show me where I have solely 'bashed' Americans in this thread?

BTW, I think we understand your line of thinking all too well. A case in point is the whole 'gooks' farce.

[Tac]

"And finally, Dowding, the largest drug producer? Largest consumer perhaps, but I theenk CooLum-bia is the producer"

Hehe, beat me to it. US is the largest consumer.

I am Colombian, we do produce a lot of the stuff, but the "largest" thing that is done in Colombia is DELIVERY. We have access to the Pacific and the Atlantic and on the tip of South America.. all drugs flow upwards and then get distributed.

Wish UN troops would just roll over there for a year or two, but we got a very stubborn and corrupt government. =P

[Toad]

Hey, Ram, how about that Spanish Foreign Policy, eh? There's a truly enlightened bunch!

Just look how well they treated the Incas and Aztecs!

Hernando Cortes! What a great humanitarian!

..and that Franciso Pizzaro! What an honorable Spaniard! I bet Atahualpa was sure glad he paid the ransom.

Oh..wait..that was a long time ago, so everyone has forgotten it. Now we're all free to bash US foreign policy mistakes.

I forget though..have any US foreign policy mistakes resulted in the destruction of entire civilizations like the Aztecs and the Incas?  Your history books probably have more on this.

 

[RAM]

LOL!

Where have you read that I'm proud of my nation's actions between XV-XIX centuries?.

I dont stop seeing in this forums mention to the "great work for freedom" that the US has done last 90 years. Difference=I dont brag about my nation's actions on America in the past, but tons of americans brag about their nation's "work towards world freedom".

And I laugh a lot...mostly I laugh because I'd rather take it as a joke, otherwise I would feel tempted to answer as it should be done (I bet that many Chileans, Argentinians,Salvatorians, Nicaraguans, and even lots of spanish people who lived the hell that Franco's fascism was, wont hold their breath so much as I do).

BTW once again you only know to stand by your opinions by attacking others. Its a very good proof that you know that what I say is true  

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[Toad]

When they total up the "all time" scores on which nations killed the most people for no good reason at all, I'll wager Spain leads the US. By an INCREDIBLY HUGE margin.  

Unless you consider plundering a nation outright for their gold and silver, enslaving them to work in the mines, slaughtering them because they are the wrong religion all "good reasons" of course.

Not to mention the Inquisition against your own people.

 

You who are so pure now, so righteous forget your own history.

We didn't try to plunder Chile, Argentina, El Salvador or Nicauragua. We didn't try to enslave their people to work in the fields and mines.

The Spanish record in South America stands unchallenged. No one else EVER came close to such inhumanity there; no one else ever will.

Yes, we supported some bad governments. Those were mistakes as we can easily see in hindsight. Our intent was certainly not to injure the general populace of those nations.

We DID NOT and DO NOT conquer entire nations and enslave them.

We leave that to other more "civilised" societies.

Like yours.

Great choice you had there in the Spanish Civil War, eh? Facism or Socialism. Neither one of them work worth a d*mn but you guys went at it hammer and tongs to force one or the other on your people, didn't you?

Whoever had won, the Spanish people would have lost.

Now that IS something to cry over.


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[Tac]

"We didn't try to plunder Chile, Argentina, El Salvador or Nicauragua. We didn't try to enslave their people to work in the fields and mines."

Umm.. no, you outright STEAL 25% of an independent country's landmass to suit your own needs and threaten with military action if that nation tries to stop you. Then, to not appear as aggressors in the international community you "help" the chunk of land to become a separate nation, a true democraCIA. Following that, you make a nice canal which you literally control for the next century at a huge profit.

*hint: Panama*

"I forget though..have any US foreign policy mistakes resulted in the destruction of entire civilizations like the Aztecs and the Incas? Your history books probably have more on this"

Forgot your own history books? I dont remember all the native american tribes kindly moving aside or dying so the west could be won.While I really hate to say this, yes you have and you currently ARE Toad, to a certain degree. Ive had the pleasure of visiting Japan, its become a US-Wannabe. Its really sad, really, really sad.And the Japanese seem to actually want that.   I hope history proves me wrong. The grandparents of the family I stayed with for 3 months would tell me this, their impressions and what had been lost. It sometimes made me weep.

Spain's crimes were commited in a time when the world was much different, only today are they considered "crimes". On those days it was "evangelization" and empire expansion. all of them accepted, supported and expected  of any nation by the Holy Roman Church (which was THE superpower in those times).Its nice to have god on your side eh?

So its.. umm.. more than a thousand years of Spanish civilization vs you meager.. how many is it? I'd say you did your best to catch up. Id say your civiliationwipeout/time ratio is about to par with the spaniards. Not bad.

Its great to see someone stomp and point and ridicule over another nation's history. Shows how much you really know.

[LJK Raubvogel]

Tac, I see in your info box you live in Orlando? I'm usually not this blunt, but if this country is so terrible, go the hell home.

[StSanta]

Raub, just my opinion here  . Don't take it too seriously.

I think it is important to not have a "like it or leave it" approach ot ones nation, or anything else. Being able to appreciate the good sides and recognize the bad ones is a good sign of objectivity.

It also makes it much easier to defend your position  . There are a good deal of things that suck here in denmark for instance, and i ain't afraid of telling anyone who wants to listen about it. Doesn't mean I think that overall, it's a great place to live.

US record in south america is somewhat...well, let's just say tainted by the need to contain communism and protect national interests.

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[Mighty1]

Uh Tac you are saying it was OK for the Inquisition to happen caues it happened a long time ago and the "Superpower" at that time said it was OK but when the US (which wasn't fully created yet)started moving out Indians it's not OK?

Look I'm not proud of everything the US has done and I'm damn sure not proud of any leader we've had but that doesn't mean I'm not glad I live here and that I wouldn't defend our rights. (which I have..USAF)

The one thing that always gets me is how all these foreiners will come to the US for an education or to start a business or hell even to get away from their own crappy country and start squeaking about how the US is evil or how unfair it is but they won't leave. They sneak over our borders and then complain because they have no rights or how we don't speak their language.

No country is perfect nor will they ever be.

I have to agree with Raub on this one. If you don't like the US then get the hell out!

I've got better things to do with my life than listening to foreiners telling me how I should live in my own country.