Author Topic: Patrol your own border Syria!!!! (Read 578 times)

Bodhi · « **on:** August 23, 2006, 02:04:06 PM »

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/mideast_conflict

These yahoos really have completely lost it. Iran and Syria, the wonderous hosts and funders of terrorism, are going to push the middle east into a final melt down through ignorance and flat out stupidity. The rest of world needs to wake up and stop appeasing these two and their wonderous little groups like Hezbollah, Hamas, and Al Quaida, and shut their actions down. It is so sad that the world does not realise that the Iranian and Syrian Governments have absolutely no desire for peace.

Sandman · « **Reply #1 on:** August 23, 2006, 02:59:50 PM »

I saw this story on the page you linked to.

It's an interesting article by Saad Eddin Ibrahim, an Egyptian democracy activist, professor of political sociology at the American University in Cairo, and chairman of the Ibn Khaldun Center for Development Studies.

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But there was more. Hamas mobilized candidates and popular campaigns to win a plurality in Palestinian legislative elections and form a new government. Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt achieved similar electoral successes. And with these developments, a sudden chill fell over Washington and other Western capitals.

Instead of welcoming these particular elected officials into the newly emerging democratic fold, Washington began a cold war on Muslim democrats.

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While subject to future fluctuations, these Egyptian findings suggest the direction in which the region is moving. The Arab people do not respect the ruling regimes, perceiving them to be autocratic, corrupt and inept. They are, at best, ambivalent about the fanatical Islamists of the bin Laden variety.

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These groups, parties and movements are not inimical to democracy. They have accepted electoral systems and practiced electoral politics, probably too well for Washington's taste. Whether we like it or not, these are the facts. The rest of the Western world must come to grips with the new reality, even if the U.S. president and his secretary of state continue to reject the new offspring of their own policies.

I doubt that it ever occured to the Bush admin that the people of the middle east would use their newfound freedoms to shun advances from the West.

Elfie · « **Reply #2 on:** August 23, 2006, 03:03:25 PM »

Why would Syria be oppossed to international peacekeepers on the OTHER side of their border with Lebanon? Surely they dont fear an invasion by peacekeepers?

indy007 · « **Reply #3 on:** August 23, 2006, 03:27:45 PM »

It makes it harder to smuggle when you've got thousands of foriegn soldiers patrolling your usual routes.

Trying to smuggle past the patrols will inevitably result in armed conflict. This would be a huge PR disaster for them, and galvanize world opinion (at least for 5 minutes).

They didn't have enough forsight to realise the implications of a large international force with a mandate that lets them actually use their weapons.

They wanted Hezzbollah to give them a moral victory. They got it. Now, they've realised the price to pay for it, and they don't like it at all.

x0847Marine · « **Reply #4 on:** August 23, 2006, 05:06:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
I saw this story on the page you linked to.

It's an interesting article by Saad Eddin Ibrahim, an Egyptian democracy activist, professor of political sociology at the American University in Cairo, and chairman of the Ibn Khaldun Center for Development Studies.

I doubt that it ever occured to the Bush admin that the people of the middle east would use their newfound freedoms to shun advances from the West.

These terrorist groups that gained power via elections all but COPIED how Repubes + Dems operate... then threw in a dash of Mafia.

To Joe Average Lebanese Dude, his elected Hezbollah rep isn't a "terrorist" all the time... he's the dude who fixed the streets and keep trash from piling up.

Just like big govt types here in the US who would like to cultivate loyalty by taking care of people, Hezbollah is throwing a grip of Iranian $$ at folks. Not because its the right thing to do, because one day the same folks they helped.. will need to earn it by hiding weapons in their homes, parking a missile launcher in the garage, sending their oldest son to fight etc...

They'll all be fighting again, soon enough.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #5 on:** August 23, 2006, 05:14:56 PM »

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Originally posted by indy007
It makes it harder to smuggle when you've got thousands of foriegn soldiers patrolling your usual routes.

Trying to smuggle past the patrols will inevitably result in armed conflict. This would be a huge PR disaster for them, and galvanize world opinion (at least for 5 minutes).

They didn't have enough forsight to realise the implications of a large international force with a mandate that lets them actually use their weapons.

They wanted Hezzbollah to give them a moral victory. They got it. Now, they've realised the price to pay for it, and they don't like it at all.

Good analysis indy. I'd say you're right on.

Now, if we took a few hundred thousand peacekeeper troops and put them on the borders of Iraq, you can bet the daily bombings would drop to nil.

Muslim man doesn't like whitey in his backyard.

Sandman · « **Reply #6 on:** August 23, 2006, 05:16:17 PM »

Ahem... Iraq is about the size of Texas.

I doubt that they can control the border there any better than here.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #7 on:** August 23, 2006, 05:18:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Ahem... Iraq is about the size of Texas.

I doubt that they can control the border there any better than here.

Yeah, I know...it is impossible. But heck, if Johnny Jihad isn't returning home anymore because he was sniped by one of hundred thousand on the borders, maybe they'll stop coming over?

Hey, those songs rock man! My son and I burned a CD and listen to them in the car every night on the way to football practice. ("Mama told me to knock you!" LOL!)

Sandman · « **Reply #8 on:** August 23, 2006, 05:21:09 PM »

Hell... Texas is easier than Iraq. In Texas, there's just one border to worry about. The other 75% or so is easy.

Sandman · « **Reply #9 on:** August 23, 2006, 05:25:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Hey, those songs rock man! My son and I burned a CD and listen to them in the car every night on the way to football practice. ("Mama told me to knock you!" LOL!)

LOL... Ya know... I can just picture you and your son blasting LL Cool J in your pickup.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #10 on:** August 23, 2006, 05:33:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
LOL... Ya know... I can just picture you and your son blasting LL Cool J in your pickup.

Actually is "Mama said knock you out"... yeah LOL! Truck still has the camper on it, so we got the bass cranked up in the bimmer.

That song might make the final DVD but I'll have to cut it about 1.5 minutes short as he starts going on about blowing up a city so...fade out on the DVD.

Shuckins · « **Reply #11 on:** August 23, 2006, 05:39:38 PM »

I believe the Kurds are fully capable of patrolling the northern border of Iraq...in fact, that part of the country is relatively quiet these days.

The long southwestern border adjoins Saudi Arabia. I doubt much patrolling needs to be done there.

It is the borders with Syria and Iran that are problematic.

The quicker the Iraqi security forces become fully operational the better. They will, undoubtedly, use whatever measures they deem necessary to secure their country against terrorist threats from outside their borders, employing methods that would leave our political leaders breathless.

We need to train them, get them ready to assume those duties, and THEN get out.

Sandman · « **Reply #12 on:** August 23, 2006, 05:43:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Actually is "Mama said knock you out"... yeah LOL! Truck still has the camper on it, so we got the bass cranked up in the bimmer. That song might make the final DVD but I'll have to cut it about 1.5 minutes short as he starts going on about blowing up a city so...fade out on the DVD.

LOL... it's just one line.

"I think I'm gonna bomb a town"

lukster · « **Reply #13 on:** August 23, 2006, 05:45:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Hell... Texas is easier than Iraq. In Texas, there's just one border to worry about. The other 75% or so is easy.

Texas could easily secure it's own border if the feds would hand over even a quarter of the troops Texans pay for.

Bodhi · « **Reply #14 on:** August 23, 2006, 06:38:37 PM »

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Originally posted by indy007
It makes it harder to smuggle when you've got thousands of foriegn soldiers patrolling your usual routes.

Trying to smuggle past the patrols will inevitably result in armed conflict. This would be a huge PR disaster for them, and galvanize world opinion (at least for 5 minutes).

They didn't have enough forsight to realise the implications of a large international force with a mandate that lets them actually use their weapons.

They wanted Hezzbollah to give them a moral victory. They got it. Now, they've realised the price to pay for it, and they don't like it at all.

Excellent analysis Indy.