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Offline soda72

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« on: August 23, 2006, 09:08:55 PM »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5272648.stm

If GWB didn't stick with the 'ethical' policy on stem cell research, would scientists have even tried to develop/pursue this type of method?

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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2006, 09:23:06 PM »
The whole GWB argument is silly IMO
Politically he did the right thing

He didnt outlaw research.
He simply wont provide federal funding for certain types of the research.

Means you can do it. You just cant get and use federal taxpayer money for it
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2006, 12:00:02 AM »
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In 1995, the US Congress passed an amendment stating that the government would not fund research in which human embryos were destroyed.


In 1995?  So when GWB announced his policy, it just preserved the status quo?  He didn't change the Fed's policy at all?  hmm...
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« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2006, 12:47:30 AM »
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In 1995?  So when GWB announced his policy, it just preserved the status quo?  He didn't change the Fed's policy at all?  hmm...


Hmmm if thats the case.
Im wondering why Clinton agreed to it

Still it isnt a ban on it. Just that the givernment wont fund it.

If you can fund it yourself as most  pharmaceuticals should be doing anyway considering what they charge for medicine.
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2006, 01:50:44 AM »
but, but, nothing can happen without govt funding.

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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2006, 08:02:40 AM »
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but, but, nothing can happen without govt funding.

...and this board must be a figment of our imaginations, unless it gets gov't funding.

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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2006, 08:08:05 AM »
except where war is concerned....

Government funding or interferance just slows research.  

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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2006, 11:54:07 AM »
I don't care who they hack up to get the cells. Its the only thing which is going to cure diabetes, seeing as how that is effecting my life - **** ethics.

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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2006, 02:15:23 PM »
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I don't care who they hack up to get the cells. Its the only thing which is going to cure diabetes, seeing as how that is effecting my life - **** ethics.

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Or cancer or whatever they can cure by poking cells.

Poke away and keep holy men away from the labs.

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« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2006, 04:11:36 PM »
Quite right too, lets also make sure that every child comes with a spare clone child, so that if one of our organs fails we can take one of theirs. Until then though, I think it would be best if we adopted the Chinese policy and simply harvested the organs from prisoners. After all, what is most important is that we continue to survive with the highest possible quality of life, eh?

Can't have the "holy men" raising all sorts of ethical considerations that might interfere with our ability to continue to live by whatever means we deem necessary.

Did it ever occur to you that the people who create all those irritating bioethical roadblocks and argue for those who have no capacity to argue for themselves are what separate our society from following in the train of say China or Nazi Germany and simply using the weak and defenseless (or purging them entirely) as those in power see fit?

You just might find that one day when we have successfully eliminated the concept of the inherent value of all human life, and when humans who are embryos, fetuses, severely retarded or brain damaged, quadrapalegics, terminally ill, or aged no longer have an inherent right to life that your particular category is next  in line to be declared "worthless" by the young, healthy, and ethically unconstrained or that they simply determine its your liver that will be harvested to keep them alive.

At one point everyone on this board was an embryo, did they have no inherent right to live at that point? Is it just that society grants you the alienable right to life based on your being outside the womb, healthy and reasonably productive? If so, then the Declaration was wrong to declare that all men "are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." All we have in that case are societal permissions that are mutable and granted to a favored few who meet the current criteria.

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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2006, 04:21:18 PM »
Stem cell research is fine by me.

I am also pro abortion, but against the death penalty whatever the crime is. Funny world isnt it, but im no more right or wrong than anyone else with the complete oposite view.

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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2006, 04:27:43 PM »
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At one point everyone on this board was an embryo, did they have no inherent right to live at that point?


No.

They lived at the whim of the person carrying that embryo. which is why you should honor your parents. They let you live.

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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2006, 05:07:03 PM »
Nilsen,

All laws, law codes, and constitutional systems are founded upon concepts of morality.  One cannot walk too far down the road of moral relativism without placing these very laws and systems in jeopardy.

Those who propose the legalization of stem-cell research are basing their proposals on their own concepts of morality.  They are, in essence, insisting that the laws of the nation be changed to fit their own beliefs.  It is all well and good to believe in interpreting the Constitution loosely, as long as one realizes, as Seagon implies,  that building law codes on such shifting philosophical and moral sands can lead to disaster.

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« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2006, 01:08:41 AM »
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Nilsen,

All laws, law codes, and constitutional systems are founded upon concepts of morality.  One cannot walk too far down the road of moral relativism without placing these very laws and systems in jeopardy.

Those who propose the legalization of stem-cell research are basing their proposals on their own concepts of morality.  They are, in essence, insisting that the laws of the nation be changed to fit their own beliefs.  It is all well and good to believe in interpreting the Constitution loosely, as long as one realizes, as Seagon implies,  that building law codes on such shifting philosophical and moral sands can lead to disaster.

Regards, Shuckins


Indeed.

However, if the majority of a population within a nation wants the law to change in favor of their belivefs then it should. Im not sure what the majority of the population in America belives, but here the vast majority belives that these celles are just tissue and code without soul or thoughts.

Lets say for a minute that research in these things had lead to a cure for cancer. Would you then refuse to take that cure if you got ill because of some moral values that you yourself hold?

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« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2006, 02:36:13 AM »
Delaying research means more people dying in the mean time.
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