Why Islamists will win the war on drugs

[Furious]

...here, let me finish this beer and then I will tell you all why drugs are bad.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Mustaine
I'm not arguing the "war on drugs"

to say drug use is a victimless act is foolish and ignorant at best. just because you don't personally know the drug mule who gets murdered in mexico for not delivering on time doesn't mean he is irrelevant.

try and rationalize it all you want, but drug use can and does harm people, sometimes innocent bystanders.

Innocent bystanders only get hurt because criminals traffic it. If it was legal that would not be a problem.

I am not saying drugs are not harmful, just like Booze they can cause problems.

I just do not think those problems are enough to take away someone’s choice/freedom of what they put in their body.

Try and Rationalize it all you want, you would rather have Mommy make something illegal then be free.

[Mustaine]

ok so we legalize crack and meth and stuff... tax the hell out of it, and sell it....

then along comes mr. psycho addict. he's out of money and needs his fix. he mugs my father and kills him to get the money / car / whatever.

you telling me that by legalizing drugs that won't happen on a daily basis all over the country? Drugs like coke, crack, meth, and heroin addict people very quickly and easily, and the ammount of drugs needed for the "fix" grows and grows usually until the eventual overdose. what about someone tripped out on acid, and snorting coke at the same time driving down the street? treat them like a plain old drunk driver?


oh wait, let me guess, you just want certian drugs to be legal? where is the line as to which are "ok" and which aren't? it would be endlessly debatable with people for or against said drug.

i don't know if our system is right or wrong, but I do know that letting full blown crack heads run the streets blitzed out of their gourds is not safe for society as a whole.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Mustaine
Blah blah blah blah I need protection from evil drug addicts, cause there are none right now that ever need money.... so thet dont do bad things.... blah blah blah, freedom is to much for me to handle.

Just admit you would rather the government stop people from being free to take what they want. Its ok, lots of people are like you.  Safe is better then free. It's cool for you.


Oh, and you don't think the druggies already pull that stuff you described now?  If anything that would go away, since the government could pay for treatment programs with the taxes and the drugs would be cheaper.

Maybe you should think about other dangerous things that could harm you or you old man, what about the gun the crack addict is going to use? Ban them too right? You don't need it?

Why the double standard, booze is the most abused drug in this country we tried banning that and OMG it created a whole crime industry just like the war on drugs is doing. But that was just booze that doesn’t hurt anyone, well other then all the people kill with their cars.

[Recap]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Just admit you would rather the government stop people from being free to take what they want. Its ok, lots of people are like you.  Safe is better then free. It's cool for you.


Oh, and you don't think the druggies already pull that stuff you described now?  If anything that would go away, since the government could pay for treatment programs with the taxes and the drugs would be cheaper.

Maybe you should think about other dangerous things that could harm you or you old man, what about the gun the crack addict is going to use? Ban them too right? You don't need it?

Why the double standard, booze is the most abused drug in this country we tried banning that and OMG it created a whole crime industry just like the war on drugs is doing. But that was just booze that doesn’t hurt anyone, well other then all the people kill with their cars.

Nicely put GtoRA2.  Couldn't have said it better myself.  Unfortunately, common sense isn't quite as common anymore.

[Charon]

I know a lot of people who have done a lot of things over the years. Several have seriously damaged their lives through cocaine. Know far more pothead lawyers, doctors, IT folk and top sales professionals than I know burnouts. Fourtunately, missed the heroin revival. However, only three that I know have died of drugs, and the drug was alcohol. A few cancer survivors from tobacco too, along the way.

With the huge amount of money flowing into the prison/lawenforcement/criminal justice industrial complex -- I've seen at least $30 billion annually -- and the huge governmental bureauracies/fifedoms that exist; I would expect to see sensible drug policy about the same time we see alcohol made illegal, or the IRS reformed or campaign finance reform. Hell, can't even have a public, political dialog on the issue. Too much at stake for the powers that be. Without criminals to fill that pipeline, which the war on drugs provides in spades, profits suffer and the lobbyists can't have that.

Charon

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Charon
I know a lot of people who have done a lot of things over the years. Several have seriously damaged their lives through cocaine. Know far more pothead lawyers, doctors, IT folk and top sales professionals than I know burnouts. Fourtunately, missed the heroin revival. However, only three that I know have died of drugs, and the drug was alcohol. A few cancer survivors from tobacco too, along the way.

With the huge amount of money flowing into the prison/lawenforcement/criminal justice industrial complex -- I've seen at least $30 billion annually -- and the huge governmental bureauracies/fifedoms that exist; I would expect to see sensible drug policy about the same time we see alcohol made illegal, or the IRS reformed or campaign finance reform. Hell, can't even have a public, political dialog on the issue. Too much at stake for the powers that be. Without criminals to fill that pipeline, which the war on drugs provides in spades, profits suffer and the lobbyists can't have that.

Charon

Yep, it's pretty sad.

[lukster]

After seeing the bodies of our guys who were there to feed and restore order dragged through their streets it's hard for me to have much sympathy for Somalians. I earnestly hope we never go back there unless it's to kill islamofacists.

[lazs2]

mustain...  so you believe that drug addicts will commit more crime if they can get their drugs cheaply?

That is of course the opposite of what would happen since they wouldn't have to burglarize or trash your car or rob you but...   It could be that there would be more addicts and that just having more addicts would lead to more erratic behavior by more people.

In my experiance... there are just so many people that try drugs and then become addicts.   it matters not if the drugs are legal or not.  If the drug is legal... like booze... they just trash everyones life but don't normaly break into your house for booze money (till it is taxed into the illegal category)

If you are an addict for an illegal drug you will lead a life of crime.

As for victims?   anyone around any addict is a victim.  that would not change.   A drunk driver kills people.  You catch him... you punish him... same for pot or meth or heroin or whatever.

You show up drunkl on the job... you get fired... same should be for meth or pot or heroin or whatever.

If the drugs were legal they would also lose some of their mystique and some of the glamor.   People would have the same disdain for addicts they do for drunks.

We could get rid of a lot of police and a lot of taxes.

lazs

[Mustaine]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
blah blah blah I just want to do whatever i want whenever i want because I am selfish and don't care about the outcome no matter how it effects anyone. everyone is ok and make love not war.

fixed it for you.

you may want to live in a Godless, lawless, anarchist society and you may even be deluded enough to think that it will work. I do not and will never agree with that.

As to guns, how the hell did you make that insane leap? and have you ever read a single of my posts before? I am pro-gun all the way and have always. I guess you just needed to find something you could try and assume about me.

It's funny I may be one of the most conservative republicans in here in my personal beliefs, but rarely am strongly vocal about it... in your reply you seem to make me sound like a whining liberal?!? I don't get it. it is the liberal hippy whiners that want drugs legalized. waaaaa I want to get high because I have a weak mind and can't deal with life. make it legal so I can!

[Mustaine]

Originally posted by lazs2
mustain...  so you believe that drug addicts will commit more crime if they can get their drugs cheaply?

no I think there would be 10 or 20 times as many full blown addicts. I mean the crack potato homeless car jacker type.

I actually think law enforcement would triple in the need to take care of all these full blown addicts.

[eagl]

That's also their punishment for wearing jeans, listening to music, dancing, singing, not fully covering your face in public, and in some areas is the mildest form of punishment for getting raped.

They're gonna win the war on life.

[Vudak]

Originally posted by Mustaine
no I think there would be 10 or 20 times as many full blown addicts. I mean the crack potato homeless car jacker type.

The REALLY funny thing is, for the cost of sending just one of these "Crack potato homeless car jacker types" to jail for 20 years, you could put 10-20 of them through a great rehab that might actually work...  Not this "30 day express lane BS" we have now.

I've known three people who've died from a drug overdose - my brother included.  I am ALL for legalizing drugs...  Heck, maybe even all of them.

I don't see the problem as getting any worse then it is now - if you're the type of person who's going to risk an overdose from coke or heroin, you're not going to give a crud if it's legal or not...

Really, Mustaine, when you say: "waaaaa I want to get high because I have a weak mind and can't deal with life."

All I hear is "waaa I don't want drugs to be legal because I have a weak mind and if our nanny gov't lets me, I can't keep myself from doing it."

And you sir, would be in the minority in that regard

[lazs2]

mustaine.... you believe that there are twenty times more addicts out there right now than we have and that the only thing that keeps them from knowing it is......

They can't get drugs because of the extremely efficent war on drugs?

Do you also believe that booze is somehow different and that there is no crossover?  That people who would be addicts don't like booze maybe?  that they scorn legal drugs like booze but would go insane if drugs were suddenly cheap and available?

I say that people will try the drugs... the tradgedies will be right up front for all to see and the people smart enough to stay away from drugs now will stay away even more so when they are legal.

Everyone isn't a drunk.   Prohibition did not stop drunks from commiting crime... it caused crime.. it glamorized booze and probly led to more alcohol abuse than we have ever had.

besides... it is no ones business what another person does to his own body.

lazs

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Mustaine
no I think there would be 10 or 20 times as many full blown addicts. I mean the crack potato homeless car jacker type.

I actually think law enforcement would triple in the need to take care of all these full blown addicts.

Well then, it might surprise you to know that before the war on drugs, cocaine was $100 a gram, after the war on drugs was in full swing, it dropped to $25 a gram.

So, using the logic you just presented, the war on drugs caused a 75% increase in "full blown addicts"

Pot, otoh, went up about 75%, so why pay big money on pot when you can get cocaine for $25 a gram?