Remove drones from bombers

[hubsonfire]

Skiwerl made me chuckle. I've flown around for extended periods of time at reduced RPMs, wondering the whole time why the @#*% all these other @#$*^*^ clowns were so fast in those %$($%^* crappy planes. Start checking my stick settings, notice that the rotary on the throttle that I use for RPMs is cranked down to one third. Oops.

The buffs can really maintain some steam in a shallow dive, especially if you trim out of that porpoising as you reach your max speeds, but it doesn't sound like this was the case.

[Innominate]

lol.

Once upon a time people were whining because that solo B-17 was so dangerous.  

An entire bomber formation now is less dangerous than the old B-17s used to be.  Hell, bomber formations are amazingly weak.  A cannon armed fighter with a small alt advantage can easily down an entire formation with a little bit of practice.

This is an old argument which has always come down to one thing.   "When I come up straight behind a bomber IT SHOOTS ME DOWN WTF!"  Protip:  The german pilots in ww2 quickly learned that straight six attacks were suicide.

[hubsonfire]

Off topic: Inno, did you ever get your hats progged as 8 buttons?

[Eagle Eye]

Krusty is there ANYTHING you don't whine about.

If gonna do that allow all postions to be manned. Bring back the DEATHSTAR!!!!!!

aND WHILE WE ARE AT IT ENABLE GUNS WHILE ON GROUND SO WHEN  Krusty tries to vulch me I can blow his wings off some more:O

[Krusty]

Easycor, BlueJ, [EDIT: Innominate too] please stop throwing out insults and degrading categorizations of pilots that don't apply, just because you don't like the idea.

Stop trying to pick a fight with trolling posts. Take that bullcrap to the O' Club.

You call us whiners. You call us morons. You call us folks that are too stupid to attack bombers properly. All false accusations. Had you actually READ this thread, you'd see that many of us have very VERY good kill:death ratios for bombers. I myself have 40+ kills to 4 deaths. Somebody else postd 70+ kills to 7 deaths.

We are not some 2 week newbies with no idea how to play this game. Stop insinuating we are. We don't need your tips. We don't need your condescending BS attitude. We can and DO get bomber kills.

Despite this, regardless of the fact that we still kill bombers, the effort required is ahistorically steep. Stop calling us all whiners who are upset because we're getting shot down by bombers, because we don't know how to attack them. We're not the ones getting shot down. We're not the ones that don't know how to attack them. We are the ones that do it right, get the job done, and more often than not get back home safely.

[APDrone]

Originally posted by Krusty

Stop trying to pick a fight with trolling posts. Take that bullcrap to the O' Club.

Read your very first post that started this 3 page diatribe of hot air, Krusty.

You charge in here spewing forth all-knowing wisdom of how you can't catch a group of bombers before they pummel their target.  How they're blasting away through the atmosphere at some God-forsaken speed that even more advanced bombers we don't have could.

How somebody isn't likely to be able to relaunch and catch them before they left the vicinity.

All because, yet again, you let your keyboard run rampantly without checking your facts.

Patience, man.. you gots to have patience.

[Krusty]

My first post was accurate. I was doing 350TAS and I could not close with your bombers for 5 minutes until you turned. I was watching the icon for distance and the range never went down. Even so normally you can sense the distance, you have a perception of closing speed -- the closing speed was almost nil.

This is not the first time it's happened. It happens many times in fact.

My post was about the speed and closure rate of trying to catch bombers. NOT that "I get shot down all the time, boohoo!" or that "man I just don't know what to do!" or anything like that.

Folks argue about the spit16. Folks argue about the la7. Folks argue about the typhie, tempest, you NAME it. Often they have legitimate arguments. That doesn't mean the argument is started because they're all incompetent. It doesn't mean that anybody complaining about the spit16 is incapable of killing one.

I have a legitimate argument about the speed of bombers in AH. The stem of this argument is not based in an inability to catch them or kill them. It is based in my experience of this game for many many years.

[Dichotomy]

Originally posted by BlueJ1
So basically you all in the fighters are complaining that you dont want to spend the time to fly maybe 10-15 minutes to climb above a bomber formation and attack in a intelligent way. SO you want them to go slower AND fly lower causing more dive bombing and the greater chance of dropping your fighter hangers.

nooo I was saying, more asking, if it made sense to ident them on the dot dar in some way or another as bombers and is this historically accurate to any degree?  Thus if you see a group of bombers coming in and want to engage them you can take the chance of climbing to 20 - 30 k and getting in position to engage.  Floating an idea that 'SEEMS' like a good one but I'd like to hear why it is or isn't.  It can stay the same for all I really care.

[BlueJ1]

Originally posted by Dichotomy
nooo I was saying, more asking, if it made sense to ident them on the dot dar in some way or another as bombers and is this historically accurate to any degree?  Thus if you see a group of bombers coming in and want to engage them you can take the chance of climbing to 20 - 30 k and getting in position to engage.  Floating an idea that 'SEEMS' like a good one but I'd like to hear why it is or isn't.  It can stay the same for all I really care.

It would with cause extreme amounts of ganging og bombers. Or the bomber pilots would be forced to stay under radar. THis would create more dive bombers.

Krusty. I never said you had a problem killing them. I also never called you a moron. I know you as a person so I am not qualified to make that claim. Your problem with bombers flying to fast is a legimate one. The other jumping on board your train to throw their idea in on porking bombers are the ones that I have a problem with. Maybe they are to fast, slowing them down some is a worthy idea. But slowing them down and taking away the drones would just make bombers useless except in large numbers.

[Dichotomy]

good point.. like I said it was just a random thought that I figured I'd throw out there for discussion.

[BlueJ1]

Originally posted by Dichotomy
good point.. like I said it was just a random thought that I figured I'd throw out there for discussion.

It was a good idea. If worked on I think it could work.

How about...if there are more then lets say 5 bombers above 10k in a radar circle a gold star will appear in one of the corners?

[bkbandit]

9 bombers between 3 guys, enough said.

[soupcan]

Originally posted by Krusty
My first post was accurate. I was doing 350TAS and I could not close with your bombers for 5 minutes until you turne

u still dont get it ....350 tas ie. ground speed .....

is not that fast , your actual (indicated airspeed at that altitude)

would be less than 300 (IAS) ...

buff at that altitude has IAS of at least 255 to 260.

so yer only going 35 to 40 IAS faster than buffs.
(heck i can do 35 on a bike)

that is gonna take some time to close.

according to your earlier statements..........

you kill buffs 95% of time....so what's the problem?......

occasionally you have to spend time in pursuit?

the physics in this game are farely acurate in terms of distance VS time

ie.speed .   so strap yerself in its gonna be a long chase at 15k sir.

[soupcan]

just got back from checking the numbers in ta152 and b24.....

ta152 50% fuel no drop tanks
b24 25% fuel 8X1000lbs

(did not have stop watch only digital number clock to go by)

ta152-----
               climb to 15k...3 min............. levels out..............

               2min later achieves   TAS 350
                         however IAS ONLY 280
eventually achieves top speed of:
                                                 TAS 391
                                                 IAS 307

just for fun i will tell that the time for these buffs to climb to 15K
             was 13minutes (pretty speedy eh?)

after 5 min level buff has topped out at  IAS 221
                                                                TAS 279

so when the 152 achieved TAS 350 he was only closing on buffs by
280-221=59
eventually the 152 will be closing on the buff by
307-221=86

if buff has already dropped ords and is low in fuel and 50cals
buffs IAS becomes 227
                       TAS 280
in this case ta152 is closing at 307-227=80

based on these numbers i find that it will take somewhere between 3 to 4 minutes for the ta-152 to close on the b24s.
this of corse is assuming the 24s didn't start a shallow dive from a higher altitude when he noticed the "dot" behind him  which of corse
would have led to a much longer chase.

math seems ok cant see a problem cept for lack of
patience.

[bkbandit]

ta152 kinda sucks imo, i was hitting gvs a sec ago and one poped up, i twist turn and 8 50 cals to the back of his head. Its supposed to be real good up hi but u aint goin to get any eats up 35 40k. BUt now we are getting off topic. Start another thread about that.

The val and tbm dont get drones, so why should the bigger bombers get them. There freakin defenseless, stay above 350 and just take ur time, theres nothin he can do. A single b17 can protect it self, either get good on the guns or get somebody that noes what hes doin, or get a escort or fly wit a wing man. Oh and the high ones are great, a set of b17s up in the stars, only a hand full of planes have the performance to go up there and by the time u get up there hes rocketing by o, or better yet hes shooting at u from 2.0k out and u have to struggle to gain a good gun postion. ANd then the things got auto guns, from one tail gun he can get every gun that can see u to fire, give me a break. Unless u get a group of bombers sleeping, u have the alt advantage, he is a horrible shot or u got a buddy wit u ur in a for a tough fight. Im not aasking for a free meal(i like to earn my eats) but the bomber guuys have to much of an advantage. ANd then my favorite, is one the guy does all of these crazy moves wit it and the bombers warp from one side to the other tryin to keep up.Single bombers, now those big raids either have to learn how to fly in formation or get real good gunners(2 gunners plus a pilot would be nice). 5 guys controling '15' bombers, cmon.

just my 2 cents