What did you do in the war, UNIFIL?

[bj229r]

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[Hawker25]

2 reasons i believe that Europe sides against Israel.  Number one is that many European nations have been into dirty deals with mideast countries for oil for a long time.  If you want to know more about this look into the oil for food scandal that has had me laughing at the un for some time now.  Second and i believe that many nations in Europe believe that if they appease the radicals they will not plant bombs on there soil.  It is easy to turn there back on Israel because they know that Israel is not going to be dropping bombs on the Eiffel tower any time soon.

[Blooz]

Same as CNN reporters acting as artillery forward observers and BDA for hezbollah rocket batteries.

As for Europe being against Israel it's pretty simple. Unlike European countries that would surrender at the first threat of an enemy, Israel loads up and kicks her enemies in the teeth.

For 60 years Europeans have been taught that war is wrong under any circumstance.

They've long since forgotten that there are things worth fighting and dying for.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Blooz
Same as CNN reporters acting as artillery forward observers and BDA for hezbollah rocket batteries.

As for Europe being against Israel it's pretty simple. Unlike European countries that would surrender at the first threat of an enemy, Israel loads up and kicks her enemies in the teeth.

For 60 years Europeans have been taught that war is wrong under any circumstance.

They've long since forgotten that there are things worth fighting and dying for.

When you lose an entire generation in a war, I'd be leary of getting into any others.


ack-ack

[john9001]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
When you lose an entire generation in a war, I'd be leary of getting into any others.


ack-ack

so what your saying is the terrorists should lose a entire generation so that we can have world peace?

i agree, lock an load.

[FUNKED1]

Weekly Standard, nuff said...  It's a PNAC mouthpiece.  Might as well read Israeli or US psychological warfare leaflets.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
When you lose an entire generation in a war, I'd be leary of getting into any others.


ack-ack

They lost an entire generation in WW1, and avoiding the coming menace didn't exactly help prevent WW2, nor reduce the cost in human misery

[bj229r]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
Weekly Standard, nuff said
PNAC mouthpiece

Dang, it's SOO easy to win an argument as a liberal--just insult said arguER, therefore their entire preceding statement doesn't even have to be addressed.....so much easier than actually REFUTING anything they say.  Maybe I should switch sides .....hmm...does this work against wives too?

[Elfie]

Originally posted by bj229r
Dang, it's SOO easy to win an argument as a liberal--just insult said arguER, therefore their entire preceding statement doesn't even have to be addressed.....so much easier than actually REFUTING anything they say.  Maybe I should switch sides .....hmm...does this work against wives too?

If you had posted a link accusing Israel of atrocities your source wouldnt be questioned, sad really.

[Momus--]

Funked nailed it, it is propaganda aimed at people who've already proved they're happy to feast on drivel, as clearly evidenced by some of the responses.

UNIFIL's principal mandate is to observe and report violations of the ceasefire. If you don't like that then go crying to your own government, which voted for the terms of the mandate in the first place and which is in the prime position to change them if it wants to.

UNIFIL has lost more troops to hostilities across the blue line since it's inception than has Israel. Funny how this article omits to mention that fact isn't it?

As for the rest of the allegations, the article does nothing more than make assertions without naming a single source, so it's pretty hard to actually refute, which I imagine is the intention.

Originally posted by Hawker25
2 reasons i believe that Europe sides against Israel.  Number one is that many European nations have been into dirty deals with mideast countries for oil for a long time.

What, and the US hasn't? You sure about that?

If you want to know more about this look into the oil for food scandal that has had me laughing at the un for some time now.

That would be the oil for food scandal where a US Congressional investigation found that more than half the corrupt deals could be laid at the door of US companies?

Originally posted by Blooz
Same as CNN reporters acting as artillery forward observers and BDA for hezbollah rocket batteries.

Source?

As for Europe being against Israel it's pretty simple. Unlike European countries that would surrender at the first threat of an enemy, Israel loads up and kicks her enemies in the teeth.

That's interesting. If Europe is so anti-Israel, why does the EU give Israel preferential trade terms that makes europe one of Israel's biggest markets and thus underpins the Israeli economy? Why is that for most of Israel's early history, it was european nations that armed and supported Israel? Why has the German government just subsidised the sale of submarines to the Israeli navy?

For 60 years Europeans have been taught that war is wrong under any circumstance.

They've long since forgotten that there are things worth fighting and dying for.

Or maybe they are harder to con? Found the WMD yet?

[john9001]

have the UN troops in Lebanon surrendered yet?

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Momus--
Funked nailed it, it is propaganda aimed at people who've already proved they're happy to feast on drivel, as clearly evidenced by some of the responses.

UNIFIL's principal mandate is to observe and report violations of the ceasefire. If you don't like that then go crying to your own government, which voted for the terms of the mandate in the first place and which is in the prime position to change them if it wants to.

UNIFIL has lost more troops to hostilities across the blue line since it's inception than has Israel. Funny how this article omits to mention that fact isn't it?

As for the rest of the allegations, the article does nothing more than make assertions without naming a single source, so it's pretty hard to actually refute, which I imagine is the intention.



What, and the US hasn't? You sure about that?



That would be the oil for food scandal where a US Congressional investigation found that more than half the corrupt deals could be laid at the door of US companies?



Source?



That's interesting. If Europe is so anti-Israel, why does the EU give Israel preferential trade terms that makes europe one of Israel's biggest markets and thus underpins the Israeli economy? Why is that for most of Israel's early history, it was european nations that armed and supported Israel? Why has the German government just subsidised the sale of submarines to the Israeli navy?

 

Or maybe they are harder to con? Found the WMD yet?

Hmm..UNIFIL deaths:

Location Southern Lebanon  
 
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/facts.html

Headquarters Naqoura  
 
Duration March 1978 to present  
 
Force Commander   Major-General Alain Pellegrini (France)  
 
Strength Authorized [S/RES/1701 of 11 August 2006]:
15,000 troops

Current (30 June 2006)
1,990 troops, assisted by some 50 military observers of UNTSO; and supported by 100 international civilian personnel and 305 local civilian staff
 
 
Contributors of military personnel China, France, Ghana, India, Ireland, Italy, Poland and Ukraine  
 
Fatalities 249 troops
    2 military observers
    2 international civilian staff
    4 local staff

257 Total  

---(Israel has lost more women and children to suicide bombers in 1 week than the UNIFIL's totla since inception)

Yes, Unilf's job is to report violations...but they SEEM to err on the side of the Hezbo's:

Sure enough, a review of every single UNIFIL web posting during the war shows that, while UNIFIL was daily revealing the towns where Israeli soldiers were located, the positions from which they were firing, and when and how they had entered Lebanese territory, it never described Hezbollah movements or locations with any specificity whatsoever.

Compare the vague "various locations" language with this UNIFIL posting from July 25:

Yesterday and during last night, the IDF moved significant reinforcements, including a number of tanks, armored personnel carriers, bulldozers and infantry, to the area of Marun Al Ras inside Lebanese territory. The IDF advanced from that area north toward Bint Jubayl, and south towards Yarun.

Or with the posting on July 24, in which UNIFIL revealed that the IDF stationed between Marun Al Ras and Bint Jubayl were "significantly reinforced during the night and this morning with a number of tanks and armored personnel carriers."

For months the Israeli government pleaded with the U.N. to turn over any videotape that might shed light on the location and condition of its missing men. And for nine months the U.N. stonewalled, insisting first that no such tape existed, then that just one tape existed, and eventually conceding that there were two more tapes. During those nine months, clips from the videotapes were shown on Syrian and Lebanese television

Btw, what exactly WAS UNIFIL's mission during the war? When Hezboallh started firing rockets just YARDS away from them, it MIGHT have been time to either fight or leave...since noone respects UN troops, as they are never allowed to fight..assuming they are issued weapons)

That would be the oil for food scandal where a US Congressional investigation found that more than half the corrupt deals could be laid at the door of companies?

ahem:

http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2005-10/2005-10-28-voa1.cfm?CFID=44394458&CFTOKEN=49398613

In all, the report says nearly half the 45-hundred companies doing business under the program made illegal payments totaling one-point-eight-billion dollars.

Russia and France were the countries with the largest number of firms on the list. Russia's Zarubezhneft, or "foreign oil company" was singled out as the most active oil-for-food contractor, paying more than eight million dollars in surcharges, much of it to the Iraqi embassy in Moscow.

Groups and individuals from 66 countries were named. Several have denied making or receiving illegal payments, others have admitted their roles, and in some cases, prosecutions have already begun.

 

[FUNKED1]

Originally posted by bj229r
Dang, it's SOO easy to win an argument as a liberal--just insult said arguER, therefore their entire preceding statement doesn't even have to be addressed.

Cos yeah, if you disagree with PNAC you must be teh librule.

[cpxxx]

Another tedious UN bash, predictable, pointless and usually inaccurate.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by cpxxx
Another tedious UN bash, predictable, pointless and usually inaccurate.

Ah...2 more cleverly argued refutations worthy of Harvard Debating Team . ( FYI--tried this with wife today...didn't work)