Whats about "no Icons"??

[Kweassa]

Knegel, the problem is that not everyone shares your enthusiasm for immersion which so closely matches the reality.

 For starters, I myself, am not very confident about eyesight. I use glasses to see stuff and it's still nowhere around 20/20 vision. Even if your implication that non-icon environment is adaptable is true even in AH, the problem is such a condition would bring out a situation where would-be gamers would also be required to maintain physiological conditions matching those of a real-life pilot - especially concerning eyesight.

 If there should be a gameplay concession for anything, would not this be the case? Should only the people with best of eyesight be able to become proficient virtual combat pilots in game?

 
 Personally, I think not. I think icons are an necessary evil. It helps people with inadequate conditions more or less adapt to how the game can be played. I have no doubts the icon system can be made better, more clever, but I feel that getting rid of it altogether in the name of immersion and realism is crossing the line. Immersive realism, such as gunnery, can be implemented into the game as has no relation to eyesight. But there are people with bad eyesight, people of age, who do require artificial icons as a bare minimum for necessary situational awareness. Getting rid of the icons means getting rid of such players from the game altogether.

[Knegel]

Originally posted by Kweassa
Knegel, the problem is that not everyone shares your enthusiasm for immersion which so closely matches the reality.

 

Do i need to write it big??

...as "OPTION", determined by the host!!! I dont ask to make the MA a no icon game!!

Not all have a super exact stick, do this mean we need to fly always with unlimited ammo or stalllimiter??
Many have problems to play without external views, in the arenas they are dissabled, nevertheless the option to enable them is available.
Many in the H2H area dont like realistic ammo setting, while a lot, most experienced players, prefer it, in the arenas the ammosetting is default, but we have the possibility to chage this.

Despite the ugly problems in IL-2 regarding no icon gaming(particular horrible inside cockpit sights, some planes realy dissapear in medium distance, smal planes sometimes show a dot like a B17,  etc), there is a pretty big "no icon" community.

Why not giving AH, a game with perfect insight cockpit sights, good visible and also identifyable planes, this possibility?

If the reality show it dont get used often, who cares, its just 1 option more but iam sure specialy Squads will appreciate this feature.

Greetings,

[Xjazz]

The guy is asking an 'OPTION' and gamers start jumping all over here.


AAAaaaaaaw I want to have my icons!! Baaaaww!  

Well, chill out kids! Nobody will take your precious crutch away.

 
If somebody likes to host No-Icon room in h2h or historical match up in SEA, is it out from your pocket? No!

Cheese what a bunch of pansy whiners here these days...

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Yeah, I'm all for the No-Icon host o_p_t_i_o_n.

[Krusty]

Actually, no, he's asking for all icons to be turned off for every player in an arena [HTH or otherwise]. The "option" we already have -- hit alt I.

P.S. icons are not a crutch. Removing them, however, is gimping yourself.

[Xjazz]

Originally posted by Krusty
Actually, no, he's asking for all icons to be turned off for every player in an arena [HTH or otherwise]. The "option" we already have -- hit alt I.

Really? How did you end  up with such conclusion? Are you 'be sure' or just 'sure'?

Originally posted by Krusty

P.S. icons are not a crutch. Removing them, however, is gimping yourself.

If you think so, who would force you to fly in h2h rooms or participate rare SEA events with out icons?

[ridley1]

Originally posted by bagrat

too those who say, but it will be too hard, zoom compensates for not being able to see actual size of aircraft. good shooting someone down should be extremely difficult.

Remember that day when you realized that you were reading your newspaper at arm's length like your father did?

"Damn, gotta get glasses"

That's what I'm compensating for.

[wasq]

Originally posted by Krusty
Actually, no, he's asking for all icons to be turned off for every player in an arena [HTH or otherwise]. The "option" we already have -- hit alt I.

I'm afraid you have a reading comprehension problem, or you did not actually read the thread.

Imagine this scenario:

I'm a CM, I want to host a hypothetical Nightfighter Snapshot where the main idea is to fly in dim conditions and try to spot (and shoot down) the enemy, icons ruining of course everything (if turned on). Now, as a CM I click ALT-I. All players are flying with no icons, right? NO.

See the problem?

IF the icon setting could be mandated by arena setting, we could fly this scenario as specified. Now, we have to trust ALL of the players to A) read the text channel in blue B) understand what they read and C) act as they are told. Most of the time this works, but some times we get either beginners or disruptors who do not do as they are told.

It WILL NOT TAKE AWAY anything from a regular player to have this as an arena option, but it will add possibilities for Events and H2H as mentioned.

[Lye-El]

In his initial post he didn't state the premise that it was to be an option for scenairos and such and did read (at least to me) like other posts in the past where somebody wanted icons to go away in the MA.

I now understand the request and the reasons for it and withdrawl my objection. I stand corrected.

[nirvana]

The first post sounded like he wanted no icon's at all.  I saw no specifications for an SEA event or HTH room, seemed like he wanted them done, killed, kaput.  He was given that option that if he wanted a realistic fight (which it seemed he did in the first post) that alt I was his choice.  He then came on and said "well that would be unfair to me cause you could see me", well of course it would.  He also stated that AH has a model that would allow for excellent long range sighting.  Yeah you can see a dot, and as it get's closer you can slowly make it out, but is it friendly or enemy?


The first post was perhaps to vague, if so I apologize for any misunderstanding, I replied as I interpreted it.

[Knegel]

Hi,

the fear to lose something known, needed or loved seems to lower the quality of reading, but enhance the imagination to lose something.

".............would be cool too have the possibility to turn the icons (+ padlock) off for all players."

I did ask for the possibility (option) to turn them down, nowhere i wrote that i wanna shut down the icons in ALL AH games.  

That i can dissable the icons with Alt i is well known and of course no option, that i didnt specify H2H and special events shouldnt have been needed, cause who know AH a bit, should know that only the host can determine such general settings and imho its pretty obvious that no icons dont make sence in a game with mixed plane set(axis and allied on both sides), like in the MA and many H2H games. A request for absolut no icons dont would ask for a "possibility", it simply would ask to shut down the icons.

Sorry for being not specific enough in my 1st post, i simply couldnt imagine that such a simple wish is so scary.

Thanks Xjazz and wasq for clearing it up in a better way i did!

Greetings,

Knegel