ww2online waiting for you all

[Maniac]

"I actually cracks me up a bit, And this is all pretty much obvious to anyone who'd been online for a few years"

Ehrm... Its obvious to me that you think CRS are an bunch of imbecills. Thinking they dont have an plan for all your concerns are an bit foolish. Even the radio perhaps wont have the same concept as WB or AH???

The ones who left ICI/IEN and started CRS are djust as talented as Pyro & Hitech and they do have more resources in both personell and other stuff..

And Westy, its no secret that the version that went gold was rushed due to different reasons, we would be foolish to think that an pork storm WONT hit the fan when they open the gates....

But djust as AH & WB, WWIIOL IS an work in progress and i bet they will crank out updates atleast as fast if not faster then HTC...

SURE IT PROBABLY WONT HAVE EVERYTHING PROMISED/HYPED ON THE BOARDS BUT I HOPE IT ALL WILL BE THERE SOMEDAY!!! DONT YOU???

Well im tired in my arms now, <hands the pom poms back to Rip>  

[Westy MOL]

 Imbeciles? Thats funny. No, they're all pretty smart. But I'm talking about gameplay and the way internet people tend to pervert online arenas. I'm not talking about what CRS or the grognards HOPE happens.

 What are you talking about? Besides having an atypical sycophantic, spasmatic knee jerk reaction to some imagined "attack" on the CRS people by me?

 I've never once expressed any thoughts about the "Rats" themselves. Nor have I even alluded or sublimely tried to pass off any towards them. You read way more into it more than is there. Then again, I recall you were that way here (the AH boards) too Maniac.

  But imo of all the folks at ICI-Imagic-iEN it was Pyro was the who knew the most as to what the players wanted. Not that the others did not, however they had thier plates full of thier own part of the operation.
  A large majority of those at CRS are recruits from the experienced WB's player base and they are honestly novices in this biz.

  -Westy

[This message has been edited by Westy MOL (edited 05-28-2001).]

[Staga]

Westy I guess we don't see you in there then  

What cracks me up is some of you guys act like MG earlier, Bashing game you don't know a chit.

(One ex AH-player I know is in beta and he was very pleased how it works. It needs some fine-tuning just like AH)

[Vulcan]

Maniac, let me explain it slowly for you.

I wanted to try WWIIOL - not just flying. But to try it I will have to pay US$40, plus US$35 for shipping. US$75 = NZ$178.

With AH a new user can just download, try, fly, delete if they don't like.

Secondly, WWIIOL charges for additional arenas - ie, late war, pacific, etc. Currently that charge is 'undisclosed'.

Thirdly, WWIIOL is currently limited to ONE arena with a limited set of vehicles.

Fourthly, I agree totally with Westy's view of the in game 'management' and mission related promotions.

So on one hand I have AH, which I love, $30 a month, free scenarios, lotsa vehicles. On the other hand I have WWIIOL which I'm not sure about, $40+$35+$120/year and additional arena costs (hardly $10 a month is it?).

You see my dilemna?

And Degas? Whats your problem, if you dislike AH so much... SEE YA! Don't let the door hit you on the way out, we're not forcing you to stay?

[Westy MOL]

 Staga, it's unbeleivable to me that you could compare anyone (including myself) who has a different, dissenting but well though out explanatin of thier opinion, using facts, to anything ever dribbled by MG is beyond words. Pure and simple he's retarded. He bashes HTC on a personal level and fabricates enourmous exagerations to piss people off because he has "issues". Basically he does have a "problem".

 I'm only stating my opinion based on what I know of online gaming from several years of watching people in several "communities" and from what I know of how WW2O is at the moment. Can't forget to mention having observed the WW2O web boards go straight down the proverbial sewer over the last six months to a year. Find me a post on AH that postulates that Hitler nd the SS were actually a nice club of people. And that's just the tip of the iceburg

 My opinion is on the readiness of the product, how imo the product is going to absolutely disappoint alot of self made WW2O champions and also how once the jeuvinile minions who are hanging out on the webboards finally make it in that it will not be the <cough> simulation of WW2 many of you think it will be. Not any more than doing an online mission in AW/WB or AH. To top it all off if you took all the AW/WB and AH sTRAGEDY players and tossed them into one big pool, what they have been drooling for, they're going to bump heads left and right. Basically it's going to be Egotistville. All of the generals are going to get in thier own way in a manner that makes what occurs online in AH a laugh.

 What are YOU going to do when General Balo TELLS you what to do? lol.  Have fun.  

 I'll certainly try it, after the guinea pigs have open beta tested it and the reports come in on how the gameplay is (or isn't). I personally can only take using a gun or tank for so long anyway. It's a diversion, a side dish in AH for me when I want a break from flying. I don't want it as a primary focus of my gameplay. I have some major problems with several feature of thier air segment. So no, you won't see me in WW2O until it really is more realistic.

 For the first time in a year I truly think that WW2O may not be a competitor to AH or WB's - as it stand right now. Who knows in a year? Maybe it will have FA-2's padlock or Maybe it will be the most realistic available.

 With a crowd paying $10/mo online... do you think it will get more real? Or easier?

 That's a trick question as I already know the answer   (hint: go see Aw or FA-2 fr your answer)

 And once again. To compare any of my posts with ones from MG makes you out look like a loser.

  -Westy

[Staga]

Westy there will be "Generals" but they are guys who already have gain some reputation in the game by succesfull missions.

Also you don't have to join in a mission if you don't like it, just have fun with your squad and wait one you like.


Where did I said I compare you to MG ?

"Westy: makes you out look like a loser"
You really like to insult people?
Same old Westy, Maybe you should withdrawn from this UBB again?  

[fscott]

Why you folks are arguing over what a game will or won't have escapes me.  Vulcan I can feel your pain. I wouldn't pay $178 for the game either.  I've already preordered it from EBWorld and will have it the day after it ships from the warehouse. $40 is *nothing* to sweat about. I can't imagine anyone here sweating over $40 for a game that CAN BE RETURNED if you don't like it. Buy it at Gamestop or EB.

Really, come on now. The argument over *wasting* $40 for a game, which can be returned, really has no grounds to argue upon.

The concept really is a WW2 lovers dream come true. Come on now...


fscott

[Vulcan]

Dude, move here, buy the game, try and return it.

The concept is a dream come true... the implentation is what will be interesting.


 

Originally posted by fscott:
Why you folks are arguing over what a game will or won't have escapes me.  Vulcan I can feel your pain. I wouldn't pay $178 for the game either.  I've already preordered it from EBWorld and will have it the day after it ships from the warehouse. $40 is *nothing* to sweat about. I can't imagine anyone here sweating over $40 for a game that CAN BE RETURNED if you don't like it. Buy it at Gamestop or EB.

Really, come on now. The argument over *wasting* $40 for a game, which can be returned, really has no grounds to argue upon.

The concept really is a WW2 lovers dream come true. Come on now...


fscott

[Nethawk]

Cool!  WWIII Online! B)

[Westy MOL]

 Staga, I continue to post, minimally, not because of any problem speaking my mind or fear of rebuttal. Hell no compuncture about doing that at all. Problem is Pyro always locks the topics.  My presence and posts seem to attract the responses of a very small and twisted segment of onliners here. Maybe it's a cultural issue.  Either way, rest assured, I'm no fan of yours either.    

 Anyway. I refer to anyone who feels this reactionary need to fill up the country radio channel extolling the clueless absence of defense, or attack, wherever it is they think they see it needed. Those people are what I call 'generals.'  Usually they're crass, obnoxious and very bleating about what it is they can plainly see but to which 'everyone' else online is blind to. These are the people who I'd love to hold the virutal door for as they leave.
 However not all are like that. Some know how to mix the environment, some of the people and the built in gameplay. They're creative about it. And it's fun for all who want to partake in it and it is not at the expense of anyone elses idea of fun or online time. I can count about two people off the top of my head that match that description; Hangtime and Zigrat.

  If you think that the Rats or experienced closed beta testers are going to get the predicted thousands of online players to follow them and thier plans....then you are more clueless about online behavior than I could imagine.
 An unofficial age poll on the WW2O boards shows about half of all respondants to be teenagers.  Compare that with a similar poll of AW and WB's not too long ago that showed them average AW (full realism arenas) was in the mid 30's. WB's average I believe was a few years older.
 Yet look at the general forumns here and at AGW. Even though either board is suppoed to be about 10% of the online subscribers. They really DO reflect the community as a whole. In that perspective I would wager WW2O will become known as "Pandemonium High Online - 1 5n1p3r U!!"   No one tells a teen they have to do this, by this time and in this manner. Add in folks of any age who crave the attention they want but can only get by doing the negative things others disapprove of online and well, ...ever play Fighter Ace?

 All I can say I guess is, you'll see.    

 Fscott, if they pull it off and it is as good as so many wish for, I'll think of something as a reward for me being out in left field.
 Truthfully? If I thought that I would not be paying $40.00 for a simple drink  coaster I would have pre-ordered it already.

 As for why do we argue this stuff? IMO it's quite simple, for the same reason guys do the same in bars and pubs but about different sports teams, racing cars/motorcylces, MaryAnn or Ginger and other such things.
 And it doesn't have to get personal, but often does. We just can't (fortunately) go "outside" and fight it out like in real life  

  -Westy



[This message has been edited by Westy MOL (edited 05-28-2001).]

[SeaWulfe]

 

Originally posted by fscott:
The concept really is a WW2 lovers dream come true. Come on now...

The ground war does not interest me in anyway. Only the air war. If that's a complete cluster f*ck, like some are saying (who are claiming to be in the beta) then I have absolutely no interest in this product or in it's concept.
-SW

[Degas]

Westy, I find myself agreeing with ya on the mechanics of missions, etc.  I've been online since Meridian 59 (what's that, 6 years ago now?).  And one thing that stands out is that people who game online are just like the general population:  they got a real problem working together.  Everyone has their own idea of how things should be done, and of course it's the ONLY way it should be done.

I don't envy any developer that has to make a game work around "player cooperation".  I've actually given this quite a bit of thought lately.  But most of the questions I have are totally unanswerable right now, because we don't know the mechanics of the mission system (or anything else) in WWIIOL.  Like, what's to keep your mission participants focused on the tasks assigned to them?  Once they join the mission, what's to keep them from lounging around the spawn point and letting the others get ground to hamburger so they can get their mission points at no risk?  And there are a ton of other scenarios I can come up with, and I'll bet you can, too.

We'll just have to see how the Rats work all this out.  It could be major fun, or it could be major frustration.  More than likely, it'll be both  

Vulcan:  I cancelled my subscription the same day 1.07 came out, and I saw what HTC had changed and the direction they were heading.  The door didn't have a chance to hit me in the ass, I was moving too fast  

[MrSiD]

I don't know about you, but I've always wanted to strafe truck convoys, tanks and troopers on ground with my shiny new flying warmachine...  

So in that sense my hopes are high for WW2OL.

OTOH, I'm more than worried that the FPS section of it will bring the quake types (with the cheats that go with them.)

WW2OL has the potential to be anything. A great game or a total mess. Let's see..

BRING IN THE OPEN BETA!!!

[Westy MOL]

 Degas, I was *very much* interested in WW2O from it's beginning and remained so up to about six months ago. It's not that I wish CRS folks ill. I've lost interest and have grown skepticle due to several features they have decided to "introduce" as well as thier decision to make players buy a $40 US box game that is unusable in an off line mode.

 If you enjoy it, that's al that matters.

 <S>

 -Westy

[Degas]

The thing that worries me the most is the maturity of the player base.  I discussed this at length with my ad-hoc "squad" that I flew with in AH, all of whom are heading to WWIIOL, at least on a trial basis.

Just the tone of the BB at playnet.com is enough to worry anyone.

I'm not going to lose sleep over it, though.  I'm certain that it's going to boil down to finding a group of like-minded people and getting together with them in the game.  Just like it has with every other online game I've played.

At least in sims, you don't have to put up with people running around dissing you because you don't say "thee" and "thou" instead of "you" and "yours", LOL.

CRS says that this "has never been tried before".  IMO, that's wrong.  It's been tried a LOT.  It's the subject matter and the size of the virtual game world that are new.  Sociologically, there's not much difference between Ultima Online and WWII Online.  The true test of WWIIOL will be the mechanics of the game, and how the Rats have implemented them to curtail destructive and anti-social behavior.