OK Idea to Stop the potatods

[mars01]

When a swarm arrives go somewhere else, let them take the base, they’ll all be flying around in a circle jerk with no chance to get kills or system messages. Who cares how many bases they take, when there are only a few bases left for one team, stop upping, the map will reset real fast. This way a horde flyer never gets a kill and will eventually venture from the womb out of sheer boredom.

Yeah sometimes it works sometimes you spend a hour flying around hoping to run into someone and never do, becuase the bulk of the 600 people on are in three different potatods going in three different directions.



Hajo I am behind you 200%, but we have to organise it in a way that it will work in the MA and not some other arena.  See my reply in your thread.

[Rolex]

The MA is anarchy by design. That means there are oportunities to create anything you want, anywhere you want, with a little lateral thinking.

Why not get on 200 and say that you want to start a furball between fields A and B? You might find some like-minded people on the other sides. Get the ball rolling and start something that becomes part of the Aces High culture.

Or, become involved more in the AvA Arena.

I don't think you're very good at convincing others on the BBS. It isn't your strength. Belittling people you are trying to convert to your way of thinking with cynical adjectives and asides doesn't work as well as good, old-fashioned tact.

[lazs2]

rolex...  the building battlers would love to learn of a good fight so that they could take down the FH and end it.   announcing it on 200 is a great way to end it.

The best fights in the MA happen before the whorde knows they exist.   Allways between the closest fields to actualy.

Soon as the spoilers and attention grabbers see a fight they bomb one side or the others FH and say "look at me, aren't I special?"

The AvA.... it is allied vs axis which makes for some really boring fights and plane sets after an hour or so.   The fights are there but they have no variety in em.

As for making fun of the guys that whorde... nothing wrong with shaming em...  They need to be shamed.   I get the feeling that they think no one notices what wussies they are.   Best to get it out in the open.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[toon]

Originally posted by lazs2
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The potatod guys are pretty stupid as a rule but even those dummies figure out a way to game the field capture if they keep banging their pointy little noggins at the problem long enough...

When  the newest field capture came out... there was no hordes.

The bovine herd newbies who make up the horde are easily confused... any change and they end up wandering around for months looking for a leader who can come up with a new way to timidly overwhelm the strat.

Change the method of field capture and for a few months we will have good gameplay.    

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's [/B]

[LYNX]

There is no pleasing you BK's is there.  Not 1 act, suggestion, other plan except planes at 10 paces, is going to tweak your buttons.  

The MA ain't to your liking for a reason....HELLO !  Guys don't fly  the game you like for a reason .... again..... HELLO !

You can piss and moan on the boards till hell freezes over.  NOTHING will change untill you get off your arses and do summut about.

1) Build your own MA terrain and submit to HTC.

2) Start teaching guys how to fly.  I'm sure there's plenty of guys that would love to take a ride in a BK's plane in the MA. Or ain't that hip ?

3) Use language in away that doesn't put folks down.  Encourage rather than belittle.

4) Revive your squade night and show the world the "stuff". .


Now piss and moan about why you guys can't do at least 1 of these things.  Piss away bullitin board heros... pi$$ away!

[Guppy35]

LYNX,  if you were new coming into the MA for the first time, what would you see?  What would the impression be as to how you fit in, and what the norm is for  play in the MA?

You suggest, less talk and more teaching.  How many folks want to take the time to learn?  I don't have an answer to that, just asking.  My thought would be folks want to do something that comes easy and in their eyes gains them recognition quickly.  People want to fit in, and right now horde warrior is how you  fit in.  I even saw guys on my side last night telling people to move the horde, using the horde term.

I think a lot of 'vets' try and help out where they can.  I for one am not good at teaching flying, other then how to auger well  I just do it, I can't give you descriptions of it.  One of my squaddies, Delirium put out an offer on the help and training board to teach the 38.  I tend to put my energies to help out, with info for the skinners.  I like the fact that many of the skins I contributed information on, are now in the game.   Raptor, another squadie does maps and helps with the scenario stuff.  Silat is a trainer.  The list goes on and on of folks contributing beyond just flying AH.

Sadly, the horde mentality is the fad of the day though and I don't see many folks wanting to change that as it is the path of least resistance.


As for pleasing the BK's.  I'm not a BK, but it seems obvious to me that the guys from the BK's posting are expressing a vet's concern over the direction they see the game going.  My fear is that because of their status/reputation in the game, that folks react to any BK tag and don't pay attention to the words.  This isn't about the BKs, it's about the state of AH at the present time.  

As the number of BK's actually flying dwindles down, as it has lately, it saddens me a bit as some good guys, who put a lot into the game and played it for the right reasons, are giving up on it.  I have no problem with those sticking it out, trying to express the concerns of many about the state of the game.

[LYNX]

Guppy35 thanks for replying on behalf of the BK's, any others and yourself but I want to hear what the BK's are going to do about it.

Seems to me some of them spend more time on the boards than in the game.  Piss and moan about the game but do bugger all about it other than ask others to fix it for THEM.  Well that don't cut crap for me.  

So rather than ask others what they will do to improve / change game play / terrain settup or whatever isn't to  THEIR liking I want to know what THEY are prepared to do about it.  If they are not prepared to stand on are they prepared to stfu.  

I doubt they'll do anything other than the normal bullitin board fighting.  The BK's were a worthy squad but like life, the game, things change... don't they boys ?

[mars01]

Oh no a tantrum from LYNX.  OK BKs time to put our tail between our legs and run.   LOLH,

There is no pleasing you BK's is there.

When have or has any tried pleasing us.  Seriously are you dee de dee???  

Not 1 act, suggestion, other plan except planes at 10 paces, is going to tweak your buttons.

Spoken like a true Horde monkey.  You have no idea what we are talking about do you??  It's quite obvious from the above drivil.  Keep going with that it's serving you well LOLH NOT!

Lynx, like Dan said this is not about the BKs it is about game play.  So why would you make it a LYNX Vs the BKs issue once again?????

First I'll address your un-natural Hard On:

Seems to me some of them spend more time on the boards than in the game. Piss and moan about the game but do bugger all about it other than ask others to fix it for THEM. Well that don't cut crap for me.

You may have a hard on for the BKs, but who are you?  I have never seen you in the game and don't think I ever fought you or if I have it must not have been that memorable.  So does that make you any less of a player or have any less of an opinion on the BBS??  The only place I know you is on the BBs.  So if I were as ignorant I would probably say "Seems to me LYNX spends more time on the boards than in the game."

But more apropos and what not seeing you in game means to me, is that you are most likely a Horde Hero or an Alt Monkey.  Two games I don't play.  

You don't like what we have to say FO.  Post remarks on subject and leave the tantrum for your mother please.  And who cares what cuts crap for you?  Ohh No, we don't cut crap for LYNX - Time to disband the BKs.  

I wish I saw your call out to the horde, you must be proud of yourself LOLH.

[mars01]

Now I will address your questions hidden amongst your tantrum:

The fact is, there is little to do about it.  HTC are the only ones that can do anything to affect this game at the game play level.

Heros like yourself would rather easy captures and landing vulches pretending your good, rather than fighting pilots and proving to yourself your any good.  Because if you thought you were you wouldn't need the horde you would actually fight against it.  So changing the community isn't much of an option, unless you'll let me pay for you and the likes of you to get a Lobotomy or am I too late?  

Training only goes so far, and maybe you don't have a life, but I do and I am lucky enough to get the time to play the game let alone schedule training sessions.  

But on the other hand, if someone see's me online and wants to join or asks for some help I will always and have always done so.  And there are far better people out there than I, if your looking for help.

We've organized Furballs etc, just like Hajo is doing.  Unfortunately unless you do this in the MA and take away the need to schedule it for certain times it's not going to work any more than a few times.  Where and why do you think the Furballunderground was started by Morph???

Make a terrain, Umm we have 2 or 3 great terrains, game play still sucks.  Is it that hard for you to see that?

BKs don't have a squad night never did, not our style.  But since you know so much about us and what a worthy squad we were LOLH, you would know that right?   frofl

As for Language:  I treat all those that show thought and respect in kind.  I treat all those that respond like aholes, like aholes.  Don't like it, dont be a bulls eye and post like an Ahole.

The MA ain't to your liking for a reason....HELLO ! Guys don't fly the game you like for a reason .... again..... HELLO !

Gee explain this for everyone here that agrees with what we are seeing in the MA please.  Odds are you can't.

If you had any brains, you would have read and thought about what Dan was saying and realized all of the above, instead of post another whiny little tantrum.

You may not like us, and you may use that to pretend what we are saying is meaningless and hide behind our delivery as an excuse, but the bottom line is this game has changed for the worse for guys that like to fight.  You don't fit that bill so I don't expect you to get it any time soon.

Now here's a cookie go back to playing with your Barbies LOLHAY

Dan you are the Man!  So is Del

[Hajo]

First of all it has nothing to do with the BK's or any certain squad.  Has nothing to do with what country you fly with.  I've logged on and off today 3 times.  I've stayed one time for an hour to fight.  The other times I looked at the map and said...maybe later.  I left after that hour because Bish had equaled the amount of bases with the rooks and their were no fights of any consequence unless it was horde on horde.

Now.....no one can tell you how to play the game.  It's every individuals right to play as he or she wishes. As they say it's your 15 dollars spend it as you wish.  I understand having a comfort level by having many team mates around you while you take your first steps in Aces High.  Hiding in numbers is safer, and if you fly an La7, Spit, P51 etc. it even makes your odds of survival greater.  Sort of comfort blanket.

But here's the rub...I know when I was new in here, and Air Warrior before, I got my butt kicked on a regular basis...lol still do.   But I learned a few things when I got into a 1 on 1...2 on 2 etc fight.  I learned tactics...SA what move should I make to counter my opponents etc.  You won't learn that in a huge number of protecting aircraft.  You learn that when your back is up against the wall....you're in a Jug and the 109 you are fighting wants to nail your skin to his wall.  You'll lose a lot learning...then one day you win and the "light" goes on.

Now those of you who like to fly in numbers it's your thing, have fun do it.  But what I live for is the small evenly matched white knuckle fight where you and a few of your squadmates are engaged in an even fight or you are one on one with a good opponent.  Ever notice sometimes after the first move you know this isn't a "schmuck" you're fighting?  You know after the first move or two at most what you are up against.  That's what I play for.
So...I won't criticize you for your type of enjoyment, please don't criticize me for mine.  All I'm saying is look for those evenly matched fights....the ones you have to fight and not run from.  You'll eventually experience a win and a great feeling knowing that all this time you've been playing this game you've finally found the key to it.  You are now a worthy virtual Pilot.  Not someone who hides in the Grandstands.

I just wish that some of the people here were involved in early Aces High.  Not many people on in the begining and we hunted for fights.  There were enough to make one horde...maybe.  But the key was we fought, we won, we lost, we gained respect.  Guys would stay out of fights like we did in the DA last night to let two opponents finish "THEIR" fight.  No one dove in to pick it.  The two were left alone to finalize the outcome.  If you notice the text buffer most vets that have been on here 7 years or more are very friendly with one another and we don't fly on the same side?  Do you ever wonder why that is so?  You' see Whels, myself,Shamus,Rob53, Wilbuz, Straffo, Apar and many other vets here one another over 200.  Again...do you wonder why?  The reason is the respect that was earned years ago when this game was taking it's first steps as being the finest online flightsim.  The respect was earned, and is still shown today between us.  Now....if you want that same respect, you don't have to be here 7 years....you can be here two weeks.  Go out and earn it!

[mars01]

Spot on Haj, sad thing is these guys don't care.  They want to take undefended bases and they don't care what it does to gameplay or the community or the game.

I guess some you just can't reach.

[Lye-El]

Originally posted by mars01
Spot on Haj, sad thing is these guys don't care.  They want to take undefended bases and they don't care what it does to gameplay or the community or the game.

I guess some you just can't reach.

If their gameplay style is to take undefended bases, so be it. Harping about isn't going to change a thing.

"They don't care what it does to gameplay." I would think that the way they play the game is just fine with them. Hence, it doesn't do anything to gameplay from their point of view. Or to the community. Or to the game.

They play the game how they wish to play it. Longing for the "Good Old Days" isn't going to make it come back. Never has.

Once upon a time AH was dominated by Furballers. That time is apparently past as the dominating force shifts to others who desire to play the game differently and the pure Furballer becomes a miniority. A vocal one perhaps, but none the less, a miniority.

I'm not saying one is better than the other and never has one camp convinced the other camp that their view is the golden way.

That being said, I never cared for the continuious hordes. A big mission was a different experience. One seldom sees a real mission anymore because there is already a hundred planes flying together.  (Real Mission...not some noob saying somebody join my mission) A one on one for me is usually a go fast plane zipping by. Would I like to see more? (err...one on one, not more go fast planes)  Sure. But I play the game for what it is.

Some think that when TOD come out that their prayers will be answered and the Main will shift back in time to the way it used to be. Personally, I don't think so. It may suck a few players out of the MA but I don't think that there will be a mass exodus of non-furball players leaving only the furball gamers.

Time has moved on and MA ain't what it usta was. Draw your own conclusions.

[Hajo]

Lye-el you're not understanding at all what I posted.  I said if you read correctly play the way you want.  I was just pointing out that greater gratification comes from learning how to fly combat in a virtual Fighter.

You learn combat not picking someone off while he's engaged.  You learn how to maneuver and gain your opponents 6.  When you're flying with 10 ,20, 30 other team mates you're like a shark feeding in a pack off someone elses maneuver. You don't learn how to out think your opponent by simply ho'ing him.  When you fly with overwhelming numbers you rely on someone else, and your strength in numbers to insure your 6 is clear.  When you are in a small fight....you're 6 is your responsibilty because the others involved are engaged and can't be concerned with you.  When you have 20 fighters over a base vulching all you learn is that if you shoot a team mate kill shooter is enabled and you get damage.

All I'm pointing out is this.  Learn.....learn by fighting in small numbers or alone.  Learn your aircraft...play to it's strengths.  Don't go in the vertical with a 109K4 at 15K in  P47D40.  You know that equal speed you'll stall and be meat.  Fight your fight not your opponents and learn to force the fight on your terms if you possibly can.

Learning these things makes the game fun.  Thats where the competition lies.  Racking up kills by getting aircraft before they get their wheels up doesn't teach a thing.  Getting kills when 15 of you dive on a runway to get uppers from capped base doesn't either.

Learn to fight.  That's where the reward is.  That is where respect is earned and the feeling of self gratification comes in.  Yup, it's a game.  But there are rewards to be earned other then some short sighted who play this game see.

Try it ya might like it.  If you don't..as I said before do what you want!  Not meaning you personally but all who play the game.  The majority here have not seen that.  They've not seen what went on 5 to 7 years ago.  Just want to point out the fact that there are different ways to play the game.  And since you pay you owe it to yourself to try them all:aok

[Dichotomy]

Hajo... what you just said is the reason I am a member.  That's what I want to learn and try to improve on daily.  However I'm going to voice something that has been rattling around in my head for the last couple of days (and I do not include you in the generalization because you came up with an alternative that I'm both impressed with and actively a part of).

It's not the message but the delivery that's important.  A lot of people are coming on the boards and venting their frustration instead of making an effort to come up with viable solutions to the situation.  Now there have been a lot of ideas posted and some with real merit but to come out and criticize how somebody else plays the game is not the way to get the message across.

I liken this to having somebody from a differing political party from yours showing up on your doorstep every morning and attempting to shove their point of view down your throat.  At first a reasonable person will politely decline but, over time, the lines get drawn and you're going to tell that person to get off of your property before you take precipitous action (-5 spelling because it's late and I'm tired).

Furballers find SOLUTIONS to the situation rather than coming on the board and slamming the landgrabbers.  They play their way we play ours.  I've seen some seriously good ideas thrown out there that got lost in the flames back and forth.  Perhaps that will at least bring some of the new people that join into the ranks of people who prefer aireal combat to landgrabbing and start the scales sliding back.  

I'd say the same to landgrabbers.. If you know that a certain situation is, by gentelmans rule, not to be done.. respect it.  Sure if you're new to the game you're going to make a mistake.  Vets be sure to point it out.  I surely don't mind when somebody points out something that I do is considered generally a no no.

I think, considering the relatively high IQ of most of the people here, a viable solution that does not require the intervention of Hitech or the coders can be found.  

So let's put some ouf our considerable brain power into finding a solution to the 'problems' rather than throwing accusations and invective at each other.

Of course that's just my opinion

[LYNX]

Mars01  It seems your derisory ability truely blocks out your capacity to actually do anything about it.  As I predicted you and your ilk are just gonna piss and moan on these boards.  You will find any excuse, dumb down any suggestions........well just moan on:rolleyes:

Your like a Hampster on a wheel me old fruit cake.  2 thread in 2 days on the same topic just like 90% of all your other threads.  The furrows on your wheel must be deep.  Such a pitty your locked into it.  Why don't you stand up and do something about it.  It's a simple wittle titchy question ...... "Why don't you ?".  

Here is, again, what I asked you, as the thread starter

 1) Build your own MA terrain and submit to HTC.

2) Start teaching guys how to fly. I'm sure there's plenty of guys that would love to take a ride in a BK's plane in the MA. Or ain't that hip ?

3) Use language in away that doesn't put folks down. Encourage rather than belittle.

4) Revive your squade night and show the world the "stuff". .  

From your reply all I see is side stepping.  Nothing more than I predicted from you:rolleyes:

OK Mars01 we understand you don't like hoards, game play. blah blah blah.  Unfortunatly thats how it is.  Personally I don't like work but you know what?  Thats how it is.  Bugger me with a rasp till me ears bleed  if I moan on here about my job but it ain't gonna make me like "work".  Umm, possible I went to deep for you there.  

Things have changed in the MA but you either roll with the punches or you do something about it.  All your doing in your hampster wheel is pissing and moaning to the few.  Here's another question for your simple side stepping pea head How many read the boards A) everyone or B) Some.  You have a 50 50 chance to get that right or are you gonna side step that to. Of those that read BB's what difference will it make ?  

Mars01 I couldn't give a rats arse if you know me or not.  You clearly haven't a clue who I am, what I do, what I like in the game or dislike and whats more it doesn't matter .  

Mars01 this is your thread > and I'm asking you, not the AH community, not those that actually read this crap,  I'm asking  YOU what are you actually going to do about it?

Hands Mars01 a rasp.  "Now do yourself silly with it".