Author Topic: B-1b (Read 737 times)

cav58d · « **on:** August 31, 2006, 02:06:41 PM »

Discovery Military made a bold statement yesterday saying, "the B-1b is the fastest aircraft in the world on the deck....There isnt a single manned aircraft that can catch the B-1B at sea level"...

Truth? Or Mythbusted?

Airscrew · « **Reply #1 on:** August 31, 2006, 02:39:49 PM »

I havent looked it up yet, but IIRC the B1b's top speed was somewhere around 900 MPH. Maybe they meant in reverse?

Airscrew · « **Reply #2 on:** August 31, 2006, 02:55:06 PM »

Unless they are comparing the B-1 to similar aircraft I think there are quite a few planes that are faster than the B-1.
old site, upto 1994
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/bomber/b-1b.htm
Speed: 900-plus mph (Mach 1.2 at sea level)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-1_Lancer
Unlike the B-1A, the B-1B made no attempt at Mach 2+ speeds, although its F101-GE-102 engines are somewhat more powerful than those of the B-1A. Its maximum speed at altitude is Mach 1.2 (about 950 mph or 1,330 km/h), although its low-level speed, Mach 0.95 (about 700 mph/1,118 km/h) is superior to the B-1A's Mach 0.85. Technically, the current version of the aircraft can exceed its speed restriction, but not without risking potential damage to its structure and modified air intakes which were developed to make the aircraft more stealthy.

Performance
Maximum speed: Mach 1.25 (950 mph, 1,330 km/h)
Combat radius: 2,993 nm (3,445 mi, 5,543 km)
Maximum range: 6,478 nm (7,456 mi, 11,998 km)
Service ceiling: 60,000 ft (18,000 m)
Wing loading: 167 lb/ft² (816 kg/m²)
Thrust/weight: 0.37

Gunslinger · « **Reply #3 on:** August 31, 2006, 03:03:13 PM »

I'm not sure what the record was but we set a few world speed records about 2 years ago for it's class of air craft. The sucker was loaded for bear with MK84 bombs and broke 49 or so world records in 2 days at the air show.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #4 on:** August 31, 2006, 03:05:49 PM »

F-14, F-15, FB-111, Tornado, all claim Mach 1.2 @ sea level...

SU-37 says 870 mph @ sea level

900 for the B-1 seems like they may have a valid claim.

Airscrew · « **Reply #5 on:** August 31, 2006, 03:43:44 PM »

so far I cant find much that shows speed at sea level, they all show speeds at altitudes like 15,000 feet or higher.
but
http://home.iae.nl/users/wbergmns/info/f15.htm
has this for the F-15, but it maybe incorrect because I saw other sites that had this speed listed for 33,000 feet

Power Plant: Two Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-100 turbofan engines with afterburners.
Speed: 1,875 mph (Mach 2.5-plus at sea level).
Ceiling: 65,000 feet (19,697 meters).
Crew: F-15A/C: one. F-15B/D: two.

Golfer · « **Reply #6 on:** August 31, 2006, 03:50:39 PM »

Airscrew i think they're putting it in prespective for the lay man by giving them a perspective they might understand. I don't think those are performance numbers at sea level for the Eagle.

Sea level standard day speed of sound is 761 mph.

2.46M is the number that comes out to with but I'm almost certain that the number is at altitude.

To push that fast at sea level is really a feat with the denisty of the air you'd be moving through.

ASTAC · « **Reply #7 on:** August 31, 2006, 03:55:13 PM »

I believe the Russian look alike is supposed to be faster...I can't really remember the designation or NATO name for it right now...believe it was a Tupolev TU-something.

Edit---Found it...TU-160 Blackjack

Specification Tu-160 'Blackjack'

Powerplant: four 245.18 kN (55,140 lb st) Trud/Samara NK-32 afterburning turbofans

Dimensions: length 54.1m (177 ft 6 in); height 13.1m (42 ft 11 in); wing span 65Â° sweep 35.6m (116 ft 9Â½ in); wing span 35Â° sweep 50.7m (166 ft 4 in); wing span 20Â° sweep 55.7m (182 ft 9 in)

Weights: empty 117000 kg (257,937 lb); Max Take-Off Weight 275000 kg (606,261 lb)

Performance: max level speed Mach 2.05 or 2200 km/h (1367 mph); max level speed at sea level 1030 km/h (640 mph); ceiling 15600m (51,181 ft)

Armament: up to 12 KH-55 nuclear or KH-555 conventional long-range cruise missiles or 24 Kh-15 short-range nuclear attack missiles carried in two internal weapon bays; in theory up to 40000 kg (88,183 lb) of freefall nuclear or conventional bombs.

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B-1B

Specifications
Primary Function:   Long-range, multi-role, heavy bomber
Builder:    Rockwell International, North American Aircraft
Operations Air Frame and Integration:   Offensive avionics, Boeing Military Airplane; defensive avionics, AIL Division
Power Plant:   Four General Electric F-101-GE-102 turbofan engine with afterburner
Thrust:   30,000-plus pounds (13,500-plus kilograms) with afterburner, per engine
Length:   146 feet (44.5 meters)
Wingspan:   137 feet (41.8 meters) extended forward,
79 feet (24.1 meters) swept aft
Height:   34 feet (10.4 meters)
Weight:   Empty, approximately 190,000 pounds (86,183 kilograms)
Maximum Takeoff Weight:   477,000 pounds (214,650 kilograms)
Speed:    600+ mph (Mach .92) @ 500 feet
825 mph (Mach 1.25) @ 50,000 feet
Rotate and Takeoff Speeds:   210 Gross - 119 Rotate kts / 134 kts Takeoff
390 Gross - 168 kts Rotate / 183 kts Takeoff
Landing Speeds:    210 Gross - 145 kts
380 Gross - 195 kts
Range:   7,455 miles, unrefueled
3,444 miles with normal weapons load
Ceiling:   60,000 feet (18,000 meters)
Crew:   Four (aircraft commander, pilot, offensive systems officer and defensive systems officer)

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You guys decide

Wolfala · « **Reply #8 on:** August 31, 2006, 04:02:50 PM »

Biggest problem with pushing it that fast on the deck, F-15 or otherwise - your gonna overheat the engines pretty damn quick. I think the F-4 got around this by using Water Injection, one of the reasons some Recce varients got upwards of 80,000 feet for 10 minutes at a time.

Wolf

Viking · « **Reply #9 on:** August 31, 2006, 06:34:06 PM »

The B-1b isn't even supersonic at sea level. Basically all 3rd generation jet fighters and newer are faster.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #10 on:** August 31, 2006, 09:30:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
The B-1b isn't even supersonic at sea level. Basically all 3rd generation jet fighters and newer are faster.

at sea level?

seriously I think they are referring to the class of air craft.

http://www.edwards.af.mil/archive/2003/2003-archive-lancer_record.html

eagl · « **Reply #11 on:** September 01, 2006, 11:41:01 AM »

You're all wrong

Unfortunately, all I can say is that the B-1 is quite fast and carries a lot of gas. The available literature does not come close to telling the whole story.

Furball · « **Reply #12 on:** September 01, 2006, 01:37:40 PM »

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Originally posted by eagl
You're all wrong

Unfortunately, all I can say is that the B-1 is quite fast and carries a lot of gas. The available literature does not come close to telling the whole story.

jerk.

spill the beans!

i am guessing it does mach 10 at sea level and is based on the technology recovered from Roswell.

boxboy28 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 01, 2006, 01:53:10 PM »

I SAW THE SAME SHOW HE ia taking about. and they did state: the B1B was the fastest aircraft in rthe world "on the deck" nothing else could touch it. and they were refering to it out running fighters!

LOL because when i heard it i thought the same thing! "No way dude your high!"

Dinger · « **Reply #14 on:** September 01, 2006, 02:12:57 PM »

Yeah, unlike the A-20, which was slow on the deck.

Let's face it, anyone who's been to the SW US and had an "interesting experience", or anyone who's been at airshows, knows the B-1B is designed to be the NOE champ. Plus, if you read any of the first-hand reports coming out of Afghanistan, you know that the B-1B can go plenty supersonic plenty low on the deck. It may need a full-burner divv
Now, think BATS and Sensor-Fuzed-Weapons. You want some badass sum***** flying NOE supasonic so he ain't heard.