Next SETUP: Commonwealth vs Japan

[Mister Fork]

Set 1: Sept 1-5
Hurricane Mk I
Spitfire Mk IA
P40b
TBM
SBD
vs
A6M2
B5N2
D3A-1

Set 2: Sept 6-10
SpitVb
P40e
F4F
TBM
SBD
BostonIII
vs
A6M5b
Ki-61
B5N2
D3A-1

Set 3: Sept 11-14
SeafireIIc (CV only)
Spit Vb
SpitVIII
TBM
SBD
BostonIII
Mosquito Mk IV
vs
Ki-84-la
Ki-67

Set 4: Sept 15-18
Spitfire VIII
Spitfire IX
TBM
SBD
BostonIII
vs
Ki-84-la
NIK2
Ki-67

Vehicles
M Series
PT Boats
LVT's

Settings
Fuel: 1.0
AAA: .25
Downtimes: 60 minutes
Field Capture: 30 troops
CV's: Enabled for IJN initially then turned off for set 3.

Questions:
Wasn't the Tiffy in the PTO? If so, when?

[Treize69]

Originally posted by Mister Fork
Questions:
Wasn't the Tiffy in the PTO? If so, when? [/B]

The Aussies used a few of them, I have to check on the exact dates though.

I'll get back to you if noones answered by the time I find out.

[Treize69]

It appears I was confused- the Aussies and New Zealanders used them under RAF control against the Germans, I can't find anything about them being used against the Japs yet.

[Guppy35]

Tiffies never were used outside the ETO.  3 were tested in the desert but never in squadron strength.  No use in PTO or MTO.

Purely an England, then on the continent post D-Day based bird.

The Hurri IIc was the attack bird in the PTO and was there until the end.

[Guppy35]

Also suggest you take the Spit IX out.  Also not a Pacific bird.  It was Spit Vc Trops and Tropicalized Spitfire VIIIs.

Because of the longer range and tropicalization the VIIIs were all used overseas while the IXs were home based for the most part outside of some MTO use early on before the VIIIs got there

No Spit Is in the PTO either.  Earliest Spits to get there were the Spit Vc Trops of 54 squadron, then the Aussie squadrons got some.

And if you really want to be picky, the Hurri Is weren't there either.  It was Hurri IIbs by that time.  Hurri IIs were into service early in 41 so by December and on it was Hurri IIs

.

[Treize69]

Id rather fight HurriIs subbing as HurriIIbs than have HurriIIcs the whole time.

8 .303s are weaker than 12, but 12 .303s are also a lot weaker than the 4 Hi-Zookas on the IIc.

The IIcs will be overused enough as it is withou having them for the whole month.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by Treize69


The IIcs will be overused enough as it is withou having them for the whole month.

How are they going to be over used if nobody is flying in this arena?

  I agree with you the Hurri IIC is probably not a good replacement for the HurriIIb. Then again the Hurri Ias a HurrII sub is worse with it's engine cutting out during critical moments when fighting a hard turning Japanese plane.

You guys have got to get out of this habit of predicting doom and gloom for every setup because some allied plane is there. Then over compensate by pulling it or adding some Axis plane where it shoudn't be to counter it.
If you haven't noticed the lack of players in the AVA..........I doubt your going to get a better hint.

 Every setup there is concern and hand wringing over the uber Allied planes. The N1K2 was added to the last 1943 PTO because of the F4U1 for crying out load. You don't worry when you run the Finn/Russ with three different 109s two different Fw-190s , the 110G, and the FM2 against  P-40s Hurr II's and the LA5!

This is just a suggestion not a knock guys............... If you want people back you have to lose this automatic justification you have to neuter the Allies.

[storch]

as an example and for what it's worth.  last night in the AvA we were having some good fights with the more skilled players on both sides landing kills.  there were roughly five guys per side.  the fighting was in the vicinity of A1.  we rarely saw a HurriIIc.  one weak player was in it, the rest of the players were in P40s Yaks and La5s acquitting themselves well, that is to say giving as good as they got.  

pretty soon the usual suspects logged on took the HurriIIcs to the stratosphere and began the Hurri shuffle.  

at that time I logged within 30 minutes the arena was empty.  

The HurriIIc is a great unbalancer and the never want to improve bunch will never stop using because that's the only thing they can play in successfully.

the AvA staff should consider curtailing the overuse of that model and other models that unbalance the arena or continue to suffer low numbers.

I'm not saying don't feature them, but consider ways to mitigate the negative aspects of their presence in such a low number arena.

one way would be to feature it the same way you guys do the jet and the 163.  when they are featured they are seldom used because you have them out in BFE.

I will be away from the arena for this setup, the MA is far more preferrable than this setup to me.

[Treize69]

Originally posted by Shifty
Every setup there is concern and hand wringing over the uber Allied planes. The N1K2 was added to the last 1943 PTO because of the F4U1 for crying out load. You don't worry when you run the Finn/Russ with three different 109s two different Fw-190s , the 110G, and the FM2 against  P-40s Hurr II's and the LA5!

1. FM2 should not be used as a sub for the Brewster. Period.

2. I agree, N1K2 should not be there, its a mid-1944 plane at the earliest. And besides, the Ki-61 can handle a 1-Hog no sweat.

3. Its not the players fault that HTC apparently believes that the Russo-German aspect of WWII started in 1944.

4. The La-5 is equal or superior to most of the LW fighters in an even matchup, and most of the P-40E pilots I run up against are damn good in it.

The main complaint over the Hurri II is the same one I have with the IL2- its a ground attack plane used 90% of the time as a fighter. Couple that with the fact that, in both cases, the cannon its equipped with can shred just about any plane to ribbons with a 1 or 2 second burst (not to mention the fact that if the RL Hurri performed like the one in AH, they wouldn't have needed the Spitfire...), and it gets downright rediculous sometimes.

This is just a suggestion not a knock guys............... If you want people back you have to lose this automatic justification you have to neuter the Allies.

Actually the main reason for the low numbers is that most of the new guys who come in to try it start attacking and trying to capture bases, piss off the regulars by porking, get their butts handed to them by the veterans, and leave, never to return.

Most of the time when I log in on the off hours its 2 or 3 "numbers guys" or squadless names I've never heard of milkrunning the strats or trying to capture bases unopposed, and they quickly log off when I (or anyone else) come up to fight. Over the l;ast few months I've had several 6 and 7 kill late night sorties just from intercepting Goon after Goon trying to sneak a base at 4am.

Most of the non-regulars simply do not grasp the concept that the AvA is a furball arena, not a land-grab contest. Remember when we kicked sfer out of Grupul 7 for doing that crap all the time?

[E25280]

In another post, someone asked why any planes need be removed during a RPS campaign, and I will echo that here . . .

I don't see the reason to remove the A6M, KI-61, P40 or Spit V after the second plane set.  My 2 cents is to leave all the planes on after they are activated.  If someone prefers to fly the SpitV to the Spit VIII, or the KI-61 to the KI-84, let them.

Running for nearly 3 weeks, I should be able to stop in once in a while . . . I hate it when real life gets in the way of my virtual deaths . . .

[Shifty]

Complaining about the Hurri II is the same as complaining about the 110. They both do better in here then in real life.

The CT/AVA was not always a furball arena. A few years ago there was strat and base capture, the arena had numbers, and regular dedicated CT squads. VF-27, 880 FAA , 27th Sentai, JG-3 to name a few. Other MA squads would usually show up on Tuesdays and Thursdays and join in.

You could find a good fight in there on Saturdays and Sundays. Treize69 last Sunday you were in your 109 and I was in the P-40 we had a blast . It used to be that way every Sunday and with more numbers. I don't know what exactly happened to cause the current mood of this arena.  It's almost like there is too much player input.

That may be one reason for the change. In the old days not as much time was spent disecting every setup. Not that the old CT staff didn't care, they just didn't try as hard to make everybody happy each and every setup. some times it was advantage Allied, sometimes advatage Axis. I don't mind flying a setup that's got an advantage to the Axis if the shoe is going to be on the other foot in a setup down the road.

However trying to be fair every setup is just ruining the arena. People get it in their head every setup must be fair and theres hell to pay if it's not. Plus you start getting planes that never get a chance to be used in this area. Not just Allied , Axis as well. Like Storch said the 163 and 262 are put so far away it's almost useless when they are added.

The same new guys that get their butts handed to them in here, get it handed to them in the MA. Thats not the only reason they don't come back.
The mood of this place could have a lot to do with it.

It used to be new people were welcomed  and encouraged to fly in here. Now their just the new guys who get their butts handed to them by the regulars , because they dared drop a bomb in this shrine to the furball.............. They've invaded the private playground and they must be punished.

I'm not big on dropping bombs , I never up a real bomber in any arena. I love to furball. To be honest I have yet to see a good time I was having in the CT/AVA ever ruined by a guy in a bomber. Theres nothing I'd like better then to see this arena with decent participation again. I enjoyed the flying in here Sunday. Of course I was flying with and against mature adults that don't have the in your face complex.

If you want more people, loosen up, and improve the mood of this place. If you want it to stay the way it is, carry on.

Good hunting to all of you.

[Treize69]

I have no problem with guys in bombers- its a nice change of pace, and I grab one myself quite often. I was referring to the ones who come in and try to capture bases with no opposition, or just log and make strat runs with no intention of fighting (and usually log as soon as they see a dot near them on radar)...

...Or the ones who go screaming in through the middle of a furball to try and pork ords or drop hangars as all their own "countrymen" are screaming at them not to...

...Or who just fly around trying for HOs or looking for the AFK guy, but then get mad, rant on 200 or private, and log off when someone dares to shoot them down- usually while they are distracted doing something stupid...

A lot of people seems to come into the arena expecting it to be the MA, just with a limited planeset. They get mad/frustrated/confused/who cares when anyone tries to explain the difference to them, or when you shoot down their "733t uberplane" with your inferior one.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by Treize69

A lot of people seems to come into the arena expecting it to be the MA, just with a limited planeset. They get mad/frustrated/confused/who cares when anyone tries to explain the difference to them, or when you shoot down their "733t uberplane" with your inferior one.

Okay I have to ask because I've been guessing all this time...........

WTF does 733t stand for?  I have seen it for over a year, and I have assumed it meant elite because there just seems to be no time for spelling anymore.

[Treize69]

Yeah, the pre-pubescent uberdorks created their own language substituting numbers for letters and shortening words as much as possible. Its known as "733tsp33k"

for example...

1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d t0 g37 l41d.

In fact, I like that so much, I think I'll add it to my signature...

[Shifty]

Crap for once I think I'm actually glad I'm getting old.