Spit 14 and Spit 16

[bkbandit]

it just sucks that ur average spitfire guy ruins the rep of the spit, i see one now and almost automaticly i say "look at this dweeb". In my begining dweeb stage i flew it:lol ,  but they as my tactics hanged and progressed(also all the dweeb calls lifts u out of that 16 fast) it couldnt give me what i wanted. In the m/a enviroment where everybody flyin in the weeds spitfire is a great performer, but up higher things change.

[Angus]

There is nothing more deadly in AH than a well flown Spitfire.
IMHO

[simshell]

i mainly flew alot of f4u's  109s yak  a lettle bit of everthing depending on the week i felt like flying

but whenever i flew the spitfire it was a vacation from all the work needed to win dogfights in other aircraft   i loved to use the Spitfire as a E-fighter     its great in that role  using the climbing abilty great Accleration easy handling great diver and then finely finishing it off with that amazing agilty      made it a real treat to fly

and we now have 2 better Energy spitfires the 14 and the 16

of course the 14 being better but costly

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Angus
There is nothing more deadly in AH than a well flown Spitfire.
IMHO

There's the key though.  There aren't that many well flown Spits.  Lots that flat turn thinking they can out turn everything but not many that use the vertical or throttle management in the fight.

You KNOW when you've found one of them

[Pongo]

Not one of those planes WW listed has hispanos.

[bozon]

Just like the La that suprise a lot with its performance, the spit 16 is a specialized low alt fighter. Most american fighters were designed for high alt work and those with sperchargers (P47, P38) were specialized for it. Germans compromised with their main models but had plenty of specialized subtypes.

The MA is a low alt combat enviroment. This is why Russian models do very well as well as the low alt spit model - the XVI. If fightes were at 25-30k, the La7 and spit 16 would have been poor rides, while spit 14 and P47N would have been outrageous.

[Angus]

25-30K also favours the Spit IX and VIII....
Funny how it went, - fisrt it was a race for higher and higher altitude, then they modded them for lower jobs.
BTW did they ever modify a griffon engined Spit for low alt?
(Oh I know about the XII )

[Reynolds]

Dont know if anyone said this or anything yet, and this is the most intricate, fancy detail I know about spits: Notice something different about the 14??? other than the fact that the engine is half again as large, its got a 5 bladed propeller. Its fast alright, but it also had severe torque problems on take-off and landing.

[Angus]

Hehe, already in WW2 the ultimate Spit solved that, - the Spit 21.
They had a contra-prop (double), so no particular torque problem.
BTW, a report I read recently was about a comparison between the Mk IX and the XIV. It was mentioned that the turn capabilty was equal which I belive is not the case in AH.
Flew the XIV the other day it's one hell of a bird.

[Furball]

the RAF late war rides are crippled by torque.  something which does not seem to effect other late war aircraft in the game.  The typhoon/tempest barely roll at slow speeds against the torque, the spit 14 has an odd rudder input because of torque which messes up aim.  LA7 N1K do not seem to have any adverse affects from torque and 109 is limited.

[Wilbus]

Actually Furby I'd say the 109's suffer from Tourqe just as much at slow speeds. Ever tried rolling a 109 at 150mph to the right? Hardly works at all.

But for spits and 109's this is very accurate IMO, smapp light plane with a big a** engine is bound to create some tourqe.

It is weirder with the Tiffies though.

The Ki84 should have far more tourqe aswell I think, as should pretty much every US bird.

[stephen]

Spit 14 falls flat on its face in MA, unless by some act of God you actualy run into an nme ftr above 15k, its not worth the perks, and most of the guys that DO pay the price wind up getting killed below 10k by spits that are much more nimble at lower alts.
Of course this is an opinion, and we know that they are worth a pee hole in the snow, lol.
Good pilots are always gonna argue the advantages of the perk monsters, and how they dominate, but its like any other plane, if you fly it outside its element your gonna die, and more often than not that spit14 just comes up short in a straight on turn fight, of course there is the vertical......

[Krusty]

Originally posted by MiloMorai
Krusty instead of making dumb comments about a book, you should go buy it so that you have some idea about Spitfires.

What book? Spirfire: The History

I just saw this.

WTF? Dude I made NO references to any books. Get off the crack.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by stephen
Spit 14 falls flat on its face in MA, unless by some act of God you actualy run into an nme ftr above 15k, its not worth the perks, and most of the guys that DO pay the price wind up getting killed below 10k by spits that are much more nimble at lower alts.
Of course this is an opinion, and we know that they are worth a pee hole in the snow, lol.
Good pilots are always gonna argue the advantages of the perk monsters, and how they dominate, but its like any other plane, if you fly it outside its element your gonna die, and more often than not that spit14 just comes up short in a straight on turn fight, of course there is the vertical......

Problem is, people think the Spit 14 should turn like a 5.  It's by far the heaviest Spit in the game.  It can turn, but it won't turn like the Merlin Spits can.  It's much more of an energy fighter with a good climb rate.  Flown right it should beat the other Spits.

Again it comes down to knowing the difference between Spit variants. Always remember the guy who tried to turn fight me in a Spit 14 while I was in a 5.  It was no contest.   There was no way he was going to turn inside the much lighter Spit 5 in a flat turn..  He had no concept of the vertical either which made it worse for him.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Krusty
I just saw this.

WTF? Dude I made NO references to any books. Get off the crack.

I think his point Krusty, was sometimes it seems like you throw comments out and hope they stick, while those of us reading it are wondering where are you getting your information.