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Sandman_SBM

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« on: May 28, 2001, 09:08:00 AM »
 http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010527/ts/bush_memorial_dc_3.html

I'm all for a WW2 Memorial, but this... this is an eyesore. Save the mall.

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« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2001, 02:05:00 PM »
Bullsh*t.

If it weren't for those 400,000 men and women who served their country and gave their lives in WWII, as well as the millions of other WWII Allied Veterans, we probably wouldn't have a Mall.

Hundred of our WWII veterans are dying every month, with no public recognition of the sacrifices they made to keep our nation free and stamp out the tyranny that was represented by the Axis powers.

And, more because of a political agenda than because they give a damn about the National Mall, these people keep throwing every roadblock they can find in the way of the construction of the WWII Memorial.

Shame on them, and shame on you.

Edit:  I should retract this, because it was posted in anger, irrational anger.  I'm going to leave it up, as a lesson both to myself and (hopefully) to others:  Think before you post.

Please see my apology to Sandman below.

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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2001, 02:13:00 PM »
Shame my ass... Have you ever even been to D.C.? Do you know what this will do to the landscape?

Save the patriotic rant... I agree there should be a memorial, but I think the current selection belongs somewhere eles. There are alternative sites. The nearest one is a mere 100 feet away off to the side (where it should be).

Oh... and it's gawdawful ugly too. The thing looks like a memorial for Hitler.

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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2001, 02:48:00 PM »
Who the hell did the artist's rendering on savethemall.org?  They left out "2 year old's rendering" on the caption.

I know the point is to overlay as bulky as possible to overstate the impact of the coming building, but that just looks silly.

Or are they actually using some new material that looks remarkably like the brush tool on mspaint?  

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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2001, 03:08:00 PM »
If there was any REAL concern about the image on the "landscape" the municipal area would be scrubbed clean of the buildings that currently exist in sight of the capitol. In other words, clean up what exists now before you try to use the tired old "this will spoil the neighborhood" argument. Property values will not fall due to the construction of the monument. If it is delayed much longer there will be no WW2 vets left to ever see it.

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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2001, 03:13:00 PM »
Property values? Who gives a rat's bellybutton about property values?

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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2001, 03:38:00 PM »
There are no homes within the vicinity of the WW2 Memorial, it is actually being placed near the Lincoln(or is it Jefferson?) memorial, quite a distance away from the Vietnamn Wall (which is placed quite nicely).

The only thing I am dissappointed about is it's location, very little parking and it's quite a walk from the national monument or the mall for that matter.

There's a little paddleboat place about half a mile away from it, where you can rent paddleboats and go out on the water.

It's closer to the tidal basin than it is to the mall, so I wouldn't say it's actually "on the mall".

I drive by that place everytime I go into VA or to pick up my sister from her school in georgetown after I get off work...

It's definitely not a scar or going to detract from DC, but it's location is very far from decent parking and other areas of interest.
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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2001, 03:46:00 PM »
The plan is to put it at the east end of the reflecting pool... called the Rainbow Pool... It's in between the Washington Monument and the Lincoln Memorial... Smack-dab in the middle.

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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2001, 04:02:00 PM »
Yeah, that's the image I'm talking about.  If they want people to take it seriously, they're going to have to do more than spend 5 seconds in a shareware draw program.

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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2001, 04:45:00 PM »
Uhm.. what the hell is that?

Looks like a one of those fukingrooven stick characters.
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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2001, 05:05:00 PM »
My guess is that it's the footprint for this:

           

It's a close up view of this:

             

         

       

...ya know... after looking into the WWII Memorial Site, I take everything back... I'm wrong... the earlier "artist depictions" presented by the media looked horrid. These don't look too bad. I'll shut up now... Forget I said anything... Gotta stop letting misinformation get me spooled...

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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2001, 05:52:00 PM »
It looks good to me.  I don't see where the "it'll spoil the mall" people are coming from.

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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2001, 07:24:00 PM »
Nah, I don't find your earlier comments too far off base, Sand. It looks rather neo-classical, much like Hitler had designs on for Germany's architecture.

The main thing, to me, is that it lacks any semblence of humanity or history.

Take a look at the close-up shot, of the people walking inside it. What in the world are they going to do there? What are those people walking up to? What will they look at?

Look at the so-called "Freedom Wall"? Ok, a bunch of gold stars to seemingly commemorate the more than 400,00 people who died in the war (the Vietnam memorial is brilliant in this regard). Are you going to get any sense of appreciation by looking at a bunch of gold stars? Didn't think so. Next!

Perhaps after staring at the stars for 3 seconds you can ponder the surrounding pillars which "symbolize the unity of the states". Uhm...ok... Nice pillars. Next!

The two arches representing the Atlantic and Pacific victories. Nothing there but bronze columns with egales, and a victory medal.

Ok.. well...the *only* place they start to get it right is the entrance with bronze panels depicting scenes of life during WWII. But it's almost as if this were tacked on as an afterthought.

Other than that, thing thing looks like nothing but an oversized trophy. When you visit this thing, I but you walk away with no greater appreciation for the sacrifices made. It's not a memorial...it's decoration.

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I'm not suggesting that a memorial isn't long overdue. Merely criticising the design they came up with. The fact that any memorial at all is coming so late as to not be seen by the majority of the people who took part in the war is... incredibly sad.

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« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2001, 10:57:00 PM »
I have to agree with Nash on this one. It really is just like a big trophy, a more of a "We kicked your ass!" type of place. As Nash said, you won't leave thinking about the veterans, like you do with the Vietnam memorial.

I do believe that we need to build something to remember these men, just not something like this. There are over 5,000,000 WWII veterans alive now, but by 2020, there'll be only 250,000 left.

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« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2001, 10:59:00 PM »
I believe this is supposed to take eight years to construct... How many will be left then?